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kcbubb · 12:09 AM

I never wanted Pioli or Haley and I would love to see Cowher in KC. Is it possible?

TheGuardian · 11-01-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Good grief. A big roster purge? As has been pointed out, they turned 60% of the roster over THIS season. If they have to do it again, that says a lot about their talent evaluation. You think our GM is making moves not for the better of the franchise, but to stay in his comfort zone? And you're OK with that? Seriously? I guess we should just expect another 5 years or more before we find the "Right 53".

And I'm so glad we got to have an entire throw away season to help out our head coach. It's nice that the Chiefs have refunded money and reduced ticket prices because it's an official "Throw away season". They reduced player and coach salaries too right? Since the season doesn't count?

I'm amazed at what Chiefs fans will justify for this franchise.... Carl Peterson created an entire fan base of martyrs.

Hardly. You were expecting the Chiefs to go what this year? 9-7? 8-8? Pipe dreams. It's called living in reality rather than expecting pipe dreams.

Second yes, it does say a lot about the talent evaluation that had been going on here. This roster will be turned over until both Pioli and Haley feel like they have the right guys in place. If people want to continue to make fun of the "right 53" phrase go ahead, but it's the same mantra that Parcells and Belichick chant as well. And right now I don't think we have more than a handful of the "right 53" in place. So it's very possible that next season that the Chiefs could struggle again. If the offensive line gets fixed this next offseason we could take a big jump in competitiveness. But we also need linebackers, a safety or possibly two, a true nose tackle, a better blocking fullback, and possibly two more running backs.

this team is a long way from competing and anyone who expected a record even nearing .500 this year spent too much time with their head in a paint can.

Chiefless · 11-01-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Hardly. You were expecting the Chiefs to go what this year? 9-7? 8-8? Pipe dreams. It's called living in reality rather than expecting pipe dreams.

Second yes, it does say a lot about the talent evaluation that had been going on here. This roster will be turned over until both Pioli and Haley feel like they have the right guys in place. If people want to continue to make fun of the "right 53" phrase go ahead, but it's the same mantra that Parcells and Belichick chant as well. And right now I don't think we have more than a handful of the "right 53" in place. So it's very possible that next season that the Chiefs could struggle again. If the offensive line gets fixed this next offseason we could take a big jump in competitiveness. But we also need linebackers, a safety or possibly two, a true nose tackle, a better blocking fullback, and possibly two more running backs.

this team is a long way from competing and anyone who expected a record even nearing .500 this year spent too much time with their head in a paint can.

I'll take this a step further. I think they only need the "right handful" of players for the rest of the 53 to fall in line. They really don't have that yet. They need positive examples in every unit to validate the notion that buying into the new chiefs vision makes them a better team. And they need to instill that to the point where the PLAYERS are policing it. Then Haley can get on with the task of exploiting oposing teams.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I agree 100%

BUT

take into consideration that Pioli is working off information by HERMS SCOUTS.

This 100%, unadulterated ****ing HORSESHIT.

The excuses Pioli and his shitty draft and talent evaluation just won't stop.

First off, are you declaring that Pioli didn't scout while in New England? That from August 2008 to the last bowl games in January 2009, he knew NOTHING about the available talent?

Secondly, are you declaring that Pioli didn't have 16 ****ING HOURS in order to watch all 16 Chiefs games last year?

What the ****?

It's bullshit. He had PLENTY of time to evaluate and he was scouting players while in New England.

This is just another horseshit excuse made for a man who's job was complete FAIL in 2009.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefless

agree. good post.

JFC.

I hope you've been neutered.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This 100%, unadulterated ****ing HORSESHIT.

The excuses Pioli and his shitty draft and talent evaluation just won't stop.

First off, are you declaring that Pioli didn't scout while in New England? That from August 2008 to the last bowl games in January 2009, he knew NOTHING about the available talent?

Secondly, are you declaring that Pioli didn't have 16 ****ING HOURS in order to watch all 16 Chiefs games last year?

What the ****?

It's bullshit. He had PLENTY of time to evaluate and he was scouting players while in New England.

This is just another horseshit excuse made for a man who's job was complete FAIL in 2009.

Lets give them more than 6 games before we call the draft a complete fail

Like I said Seymour was at 16 in the highest mock I could find from 2001...nobody knows how these guys are gonna turn out and some dont even want to give them a chance to.

being mad about it isnt gonna change it.

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This 100%, unadulterated ****ing HORSESHIT.

The excuses Pioli and his shitty draft and talent evaluation just won't stop.

First off, are you declaring that Pioli didn't scout while in New England? That from August 2008 to the last bowl games in January 2009, he knew NOTHING about the available talent?

Secondly, are you declaring that Pioli didn't have 16 ****ING HOURS in order to watch all 16 Chiefs games last year?

What the ****?

It's bullshit. He had PLENTY of time to evaluate and he was scouting players while in New England.

This is just another horseshit excuse made for a man who's job was complete FAIL in 2009.

It's hard to know where to place most of the blame.

We knew Carl's MO. Carl gave most of his draft day say to the HC.

Did he override the HC? Yes, but that was rare. He let his HC's decide how/whom to draft for the most part.

Marty, Gun, DV, and Herm were allowed to build the teams THEY wanted to build, THIER way.

Pioli hasn't been here long enough, and he's too secretive, to know exactly how that HC/GM dynamic works here yet. Were our OC/DC/Draft decisions Pioli moves or Haley moves?...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Lets give them more than 6 games before we call the draft a complete fail

Like I said Seymour was at 16 in the highest mock I could find from 2001...nobody knows how these guys are gonna turn out and some dont even want to give them a chance to.

being mad about it isnt gonna change it.

JFC.

Outside of the ****ING KICKER, the Chiefs needs weren't addressed. There was NO NEED to draft TWO MORE 5-tech defensive lineman. There was NO REASON to draft Donald Washington. Brown is on IR and was moved from tackle to guard in TC. Lawrence and Williams are on IR and O'Connell just flat out sucks ass.

In a draft year loaded with offensive talent, Pioli mined absolutely NONE of it. Instead, he drafted a few non-impact players with his first two picks and wasted his 4th and 5th rounders.

In addition to that, free-agency was a ****ing joke. Goof? Zach Thomas? Bobby Engram? Ha!

FAIL.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It's hard to know where to place most of the blame.

We knew Carl's MO. Carl gave most of his draft day say to the HC.

Did he override the HC? Yes, but that was rare. He let his HC's decide how/whom to draft for the most part.

Marty, Gun, DV, and Herm were allowed to build the teams THEY wanted to build, THIER way.

Pioli hasn't been here long enough, and he's too secretive, to know exactly how that HC/GM dynamic works here yet. Were our OC/DC/Draft decisions Pioli moves or Haley moves?...

IF Pioli turned the draft decisions over to Haley, a first time head coach, Pioli's a little dumber than I imagined.

That being said, I'd be surprised if that happened. Not shocked but surprised.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

JFC.

Outside of the ****ING KICKER, the Chiefs needs weren't addressed. There was NO NEED to draft TWO MORE 5-tech defensive lineman. There was NO REASON to draft Donald Washington. Brown is on IR and was moved from tackle to guard in TC. Lawrence and Williams are on IR and O'Connell just flat out sucks ass.

In a draft year loaded with offensive talent, Pioli mined absolutely NONE of it. Instead, he drafted a few non-impact players with his first two picks and wasted his 4th and 5th rounders.

In addition to that, free-agency was a ****ing joke. Goof? Zach Thomas? Bobby Engram? Ha!

FAIL.

I havent said a peep about any pick after Tyson because it hurts to think how bad they all were anymore.

We would have had a better draft if we just combined picks to move up and take a couple starting caliber olinemen and nothing else after Tyson except succop

100% agree there

but since draft day, every 3-4 defenses HC has said they had Tyson pegged except GB and I bet they did too. just sayin

honest question cause Im curious: who was your preference?

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IF Pioli turned the draft decisions over to Haley, a first time head coach, Pioli's a little dumber than I imagined.

That being said, I'd be surprised if that happened. Not shocked but surprised.

This season is like an elevator fart. You don't know who's responsible but it doesn't really matter 'cause you're stuck for the ride...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I havent said a peep about any pick after Tyson because it hurts to think how bad they all were anymore.

We would have had a better draft if we just combined picks to move up and take a couple starting caliber olinemen and nothing else after Tyson except succop

100% agree there

but since draft day, every 3-4 defenses HC has said they had Tyson pegged except GB and I bet they did too. just sayin

honest question cause Im curious: who was your preference?

Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This season is like an elevator fart. You don't know who's responsible but it doesn't really matter 'cause you're stuck for the ride...

Personally, I hope the Hunt family is gearing up to sell the Chiefs.

The new owner would have a great stadium with $400 million in upgrades and a long lease.

The new owner would have a team that's $30 million under the salary cap.

The new owner would have the Executive of the Millennium and a young head coach.

I know that's probably not going to happen but I can dream...

Deberg_1990 · 11-01-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.

Why do you think he selected Ty Jack? This draft is pretty much how everyone thought it was gonna be. The top 10 players were pretty weak compared to other years.

Do you think he reached with Jackson? Or is he thinking long term benefits?

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.

I'm fine with going defense but you don't spend a top 10 pick and top 10 money on a 3-4 DE.

Just stupid...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why do you think he selected Ty Jack? This draft is pretty much how everyone thought it was gonna be. The top 10 players were pretty weak compared to other years.

Do you think he reached with Jackson? Or is he thinking long term benefits?

Tyson Jackson was in NO ONE'S Top Ten. And I disagree - I don't think it was weak at all. Sanchez is playing well, Stafford's played well when healthy, Curry's not Jesus but he's been good, Crabtree has had an immediate impact and so on.

IMO, there is NO long term benefit to drafting a 5-tech DE with the number three overall pick, especially when your team lacks a game-changing playmaker on both sides of the ball. There wasn't a game-changer available on defense but they were certainly available on offense.

And as much as I was "against" an offensive lineman at #3, Michael Oher's presence on this line would make the offense a completely different animal.

Pioli, IMO, blew the whole draft. So, big ****ing deal. He got a kicker with the last pick of the entire draft. Yay!

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