Chiefs The sad thing is this line could be just as bad next year - Page 3

B_Ambuehl · 11-07-2009, 11:50 AM

It really needs 4 new starters. Waters is close to being done. He's about where Shields was his last year. Just watched a replay of the SD game and he made their practice squad reject d-line look like world beaters. Goff is done. Niswanger has nothing. O-lines are usually 3 year rebuilding projects and we haven't even started on year 1. Clark obviously won't pay anybody who can really come in here and play football. He had plenty of opportunities to pick up a viable center and right tackle and passed on all of them. You can draft a bunch of rookies, but it takes them 2-3 years to get going (see Jacksonville). Unfortunately, it's looking like this line will be the death of Todd Haley.

Frankie · 11-07-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It really needs 4 new starters. Waters is close to being done......

Question from O-line experts on the board:

Can Waters be turned into a Center and thrive?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-07-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

We still could have drafted Jackson in the first. Cassel and Vrabel with the 2nd. From that point on was where you would have to rate the draft a big FAIL with regards to the offensive line.

We won't go into the first two rounds in this draft in this thread...

Yep.

Even if you want to reach for Jackson, and the 2nd is already gone, you still could have done much, much more to improve this team, and specifically, the OL. Examples:

R3: Antoine Caldwell, Louis Vasquez, Kraig Urbik, Michael Johnson, Mike Wallace

R4: Jonathan Luigs, TJ Lang, Lawrence Sidbury, Austin Collie, Troy Kropog

R5: Johnny Knox, Jasper Brinkley, Fenuki Tupou, Macho Harris, Jamon Meridith, Duke Robinson

R6: Matt Slauson, Brandon Gibson, James Davis

R7: AQ Shipley, Julian Edelman, Zach Follett

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-07-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Question from O-line experts on the board:

Can Waters be turned into a Center and thrive?

No.

Mr. Laz · 11-07-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Question from O-line experts on the board:

Can Waters be turned into a Center and thrive?

Honestly i think Water's problem might stem from motivation.

i wonder whether he really gives a shit whether Cassel gets smashed or not.

milkman · 11-07-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Honestly i think Water's problem might stem from motivation.

i wonder whether he really gives a shit whether Cassel gets smashed or not.

I disagree.

Waters has clearly lost a step, and isn't as physical as he was just three years ago.

His skills have simply dimininshed due to age, and by next season, or the season after, he will be a shell of his former self, much as Mike Goff is right now.

Mecca · 11-07-2009, 06:59 PM

I do agree with his point about the Chiefs being cheap...

**BossChief** · 11-07-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yep.

Even if you want to reach for Jackson, and the 2nd is already gone, you still could have done much, much more to improve this team, and specifically, the OL. Examples:

R3: Antoine Caldwell, Louis Vasquez, Kraig Urbik, Michael Johnson, Mike Wallace

R4: Jonathan Luigs, TJ Lang, Lawrence Sidbury, Austin Collie, Troy Kropog

R5: Johnny Knox, Jasper Brinkley, Fenuki Tupou, Macho Harris, Jamon Meridith, Duke Robinson

R6: Matt Slauson, Brandon Gibson, James Davis

R7: AQ Shipley, Julian Edelman, Zach Follett

Luigs, Duke and Shipley could help us.

But really, Michael Johnson isnt a better pick than Magee IMHO for this scheme.

I fully agree that we ****ed up by not taking a linemen till Collin.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-07-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree.

Waters has clearly lost a step, and isn't as physical as he was just three years ago.

His skills have simply dimininshed due to age, and by next season, or the season after, he will be a shell of his former self, much as Mike Goff is right now.

I agree, though I think Laz makes a good point.

Remember last year, when the QB would get sacked for holding the ball too long, or generally doing something stupid?

Waters would get visibly pissed. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV knew he was pissed at the QB, or at one of his fellow OL.

Haven't seen that once this year.

Mecca · 11-07-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I agree, though I think Laz makes a good point.

Remember last year, when the QB would get sacked for holding the ball too long, or generally doing something stupid?

Waters would get visibly pissed. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV knew he was pissed at the QB, or at one of his fellow OL.

Haven't seen that once this year.

He doesn't need to yell now, the head coach does so much of it yelling is probably ignored.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-07-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He doesn't need to yell now, the head coach does so much of it yelling is probably ignored.

stevieray · 11-07-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Guess we'll find out a lot about our front office this offseason...

....this is the barometer, IMO.

milkman · 11-07-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I agree, though I think Laz makes a good point.

Remember last year, when the QB would get sacked for holding the ball too long, or generally doing something stupid?

Waters would get visibly pissed. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV knew he was pissed at the QB, or at one of his fellow OL.

Haven't seen that once this year.

The problem is that he's every bit as guilty as the rest of the scrubs on this line for it's woes nw, so he's showing a little bit of wisdom.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-07-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The problem is that he's every bit as guilty as the rest of the scrubs on this line for it's woes nw, so he's showing a little bit of wisdom.

Can't argue that.

Frankie · 11-07-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No.

Why not? Not arguing with you. Just thinking the man has some talent but might have lost a step limiting his OG effectiveness (pulling, etc.). Is it really out of the question to try him at center next year? He has already responded well to a more major position change.

stevieray · 11-07-2009, 07:15 PM

Waters job is to block, not police the QB or make demands from management.....I don't care if he's pissed, unless he's going to turn ithe agression against the defense.

11-07-2009, 11:50 AM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	The sad thing is this line could be just as bad next year It really needs 4 new starters. Waters is close to being done. He's about where Shields was his last year. Just watched a replay of the SD game and he made their practice squad reject d-line look like world beaters. Goff is done. Niswanger has nothing. O-lines are usually 3 year rebuilding projects and we haven't even started on year 1. Clark obviously won't pay anybody who can really come in here and play football. He had plenty of opportunities to pick up a viable center and right tackle and passed on all of them. You can draft a bunch of rookies, but it takes them 2-3 years to get going (see Jacksonville). Unfortunately, it's looking like this line will be the death of Todd Haley.
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stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1284727	Waters job is to block, not police the QB or make demands from management.....I don't care if he's pissed, unless he's going to turn ithe agression against the defense.
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