Chiefs Screw you Cassel - Page 14

chiefs1111 · 12-13-2009, 03:06 PM

I know Chambers still has too catch that pass but Cassel was awful today. Screw you Matt,Screw you!!!!!!!

Brock · 12-20-2009, 07:53 PM

Green had absolute shit for receivers. Other than Gonzalez and Holmes, he had nobody to throw to.

**dirk digler** · 12-20-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah, the 2 minute drill before the end of the first half, for starters.

Secondly, kicking it over and over and over to Cribbs.

I could go on, but I'm not going to waste my time of a shitty-assed coach who refuses to acknowledge the problem is himself.

Thanks I didn't get to watch and only listened to the game for about a half. Definitely stupid to kick to Cribs they should have just pooched it every time.

**DeezNutz** · 12-20-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and how did you feel about green after his first year
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Unsure. I thought he was accurate but working with crap.

I think Cassel is inaccurate and working with crap. In short, he has the hallmarks of the backup QB that he's always been.

Coach · 12-20-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

This is spot on. Cassel had maybe his best game of the year today. Too many dropped passes, too many missed tackles on defense.

That's true, but at the same time, Cassel had made several very "questionable" decision making. That INT that Brown LB had right in his hands, and he just had the "I can't believe he threw it to me" look before dropping it.

Cassel had thrown good passes, but at the same time, he was way behind of some of his passes as well.

milkman · 12-20-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I wonder what Milkman would say to Dawson being categorized as a "game manager"? MM actually lived and watched games in that era. It's very possible I could be wrong, but I'm going to go ahead and say that someone would be getting a new asshole or 3 for Christmas this year.

No, I actually agree with the assertion that Lenny was a game manager.

And outstanding game manager, to be sure, but a game manager nontheless.

Those Chiefs won because of defense, a great O-Line, and clearly, the most underrated WR ever.

I am not of the opinion, however, that a game manager is a bad thing.

I actually believe that Cassel has the tools to be a pretty good game manager when he has some talent to work with.

His accuracy in New England was not an issue, so I'm not overly concerned with that.

I think TRR is right, some of that is on the talent around him.

I do think he has inferior arm strength, but that isn't nearly the issue that many think it is.

My biggest concern with Cassel is lack of pocket presense and poor decision making.

Those have to be worked out in order for him to really succeed.

His decision making pisses me off more than antthing.

el borracho · 12-20-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

You can say that now....but most were not saying that within the first year of "TrINT" Green's first year and a half with Kansas City.

Wow how posters forget...
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My biggest bitch about Green was trading a 1st for a guy that was scheduled to be a free-agent the very next year. IIRC, I wanted to bring in Collins (free-agent at the time) for the year and grab Green for free the next year.

TRR · 12-20-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Unsure. I thought he was accurate but working with crap.

I think Cassel is inaccurate and working with crap. In short, he has the hallmarks of the backup QB that he's always been.

You were about the only one then after Green was accurate on only 56.6 percent of his passes and led the league with 24 INT's.

After Green's first season, NOBODY was claiming he was an "accurate" passer.

Most of Green's backers did however see the forest for the trees, and understood that CONSISTENCY was needed in several areas just like it is for Matt Cassel.
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**DeezNutz** · 12-20-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

You were about the only one then after Green was accurate on only 56.6 percent of his passes and led the league with 24 INT's.

After Green's first season, NOBODY was claiming he was an "accurate" passer.

Most of Green's backers did however see the forest for the trees, and understood that CONSISTENCY was needed in several areas just like it is for Matt Cassel.
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Again, he was working in an offense that put an even greater emphasis on timing. You either believed he understood the system and the WRs were the problem or you didn't.

It's not like there wasn't reason to believe the latter. I could understand differing views.

**SAUTO** · 12-20-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, I actually agree with the assertion that Lenny was a game manager.

And outstanding game manager, to be sure, but a game manager nontheless.

Those Chiefs won because of defense, a great O-Line, and clearly, the most underrated WR ever.

I am not of the opinion, however, that a game manager is a bad thing.

I actually believe that Cassel has the tools to be a pretty good game manager when he has some talent to work with.

His accuracy in New England was not an issue, so I'm not overly concerned with that.

I think TRR is right, some of that is on the talent around him.

I do think he has inferior arm strength, but that isn't nearly the issue that many think it is.

My biggest concern with Cassel is lack of pocket presense and poor decision making.

Those have to be worked out in order for him to really succeed.

His decision making pisses me off more than antthing.

good post, the film study helps somewhat.
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-20-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

I went to the game, and honestly had no idea Cassel threw for 300 yards. I was guessing around 260 or so until I heard it on the radio.

I wouldn't say he blew my mind with his astonishing play today; but I definitely think he played his role very well(aside from some shitty throws).

This.

Yes, it was his best game statistically, but nothing was shown today that changes my mind about his potential.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

After Green's first season, NOBODY was claiming he was an "accurate" passer.

Stop generalizing the fanbase, because as I've said many times before the whole issue that year was the WR's learning the Saunders' system. Thus running wrong routes due to the complexities of the scheme.

Chiefaholic · 12-20-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And Green worked with WR's far worse than this shit we have now.

I'm sorry Bowe and Chambers are both light years better than Eddie Kennison.

I normally agree with the majority of your posts, but not this round. Trent had a FAR superior offensive line, Priest Holmes to lure in defenses and catch passes out of the backfield, a HOF TE in his prime, and Kennison to stretch the field with his speed. You're comparing apples to oranges if you think Cassell is even on an even playing field.

milkman · 12-20-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Well on my part I was listening to the radio and Dawson wasn't convening that he was playing bad.

Like I pointed out earlier no drops and his line is 31/40 for probably over 400 yds just by looking at that stat line it looks pretty good.

In watching that game, I would put two of the drops solely on the WR or TE that dropped them.

The rest were in part due to a poorly thrown ball.

Catchable, yes, but not easy.

Two that stand out was one to Bowe than was thrown high, and wobbled more than any pass that I think I've ever seen.
It should have been caught, but it would have been a good catch.

The second was the ball in the back of the end zone to a double teamed Copper.
One defender got his hands between between Copper's.
Had Copper caught it, it would have been an outstanding catch bordering on spectacular.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-20-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, I actually agree with the assertion that Lenny was a game manager.

And outstanding game manager, to be sure, but a game manager nontheless.

Those Chiefs won because of defense, a great O-Line, and clearly, the most underrated WR ever.

I am not of the opinion, however, that a game manager is a bad thing.

I actually believe that Cassel has the tools to be a pretty good game manager when he has some talent to work with.

His accuracy in New England was not an issue, so I'm not overly concerned with that.

I think TRR is right, some of that is on the talent around him.

I do think he has inferior arm strength, but that isn't nearly the issue that many think it is.

My biggest concern with Cassel is lack of pocket presense and poor decision making.

Those have to be worked out in order for him to really succeed.

His decision making pisses me off more than antthing.

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**SAUTO** · 12-20-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This.

Yes, it was his best game statistically, but nothing was shown today that changes my mind about his potential.

werent most of those drops away from you?
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