Getting The Band Back Together

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

Its all about the classic question, "What makes New England GREAT instead of just good?" Its funny how a LOT of the questions on here are rehashes of the same 4 or 5 core issues. Its a "philosophy of sports," if you will.

No, it's pretty ****ing simple.

Tom Brady+Bill Belichick.

Meanwhile, all the lemmings seem to think that as long as you have the high explosives and the casing that you can just will the fissile material into place for the nuclear bomb.

Well you can't, and it's never coming here, so find a different way.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's pretty ****ing simple.

Tom Brady+Bill Belichick.

Meanwhile, all the lemmings seem to think that as long as you have the high explosives and the casing that you can just will the fissile material into place for the nuclear bomb.

Well you can't, and it's never coming here, so find a different way.

What way do you propose?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

What way do you propose?

Hiring a GM from a mid-market team who built its core via the draft.

We should have hired someone from Baltimore (DeCosta) or Pittsburgh (Doug Whaley, Ron Hughes) not a guy from a team who fell into the luckiest pick in NFL history who supplemented their team through FA with a mediocre draft record.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hiring a GM from a mid-market team who built its core via the draft.

We should have hired someone from Baltimore (DeCosta) or Pittsburgh (Doug Whaley, Ron Hughes) not a guy from a team who fell into the luckiest pick in NFL history who supplemented their team through FA with a mediocre draft record.

But since we didn't and we have the GM we do now, what do you propose? Is the team a total wash now cause we don't have a GM from a mid-market team?

And you think Kraft and Belichick are responsible solely for the front office success in New England, but you don't feel the same about the Rooneys and Cowher? I'm inclined to believe the success of the Steelers is from having a few key people as well. All of the others are plug-and-play.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

But since we didn't and we have the GM we do now, what do you propose? Is the team a total wash now cause we don't have a GM from a mid-market team?

And you think Kraft and Belichick are responsible solely for the front office success in New England, but you don't feel the same about the Rooneys and Cowher? I'm inclined to believe the success of the Steelers is from having a few key people as well. All of the others are plug-and-play.

New England has great ownership, Belichick and Tom Brady.

We have none of those.

Indianapolis has great ownership, a great front office (who built 3 contenders) and Peyton Manning.

Pittsburgh has great ownership, Polamalu, Hampton, and Roethlisberger.

Our problem is that we have no organizational philosophy aside from "Just do exactly what happened in New England".

Well, no two scenarios are exactly the same.

The reason why a guy like Mike Tomlin is a good coach is b/c he's a Tampa 2 guy but he realizes his talent works best in a 3-4, so he doesnt' **** with it. Pittsburgh also drafts to the strength of the draft (which is why they drafted multiple OL in the mid-late rounds last year, and got a guy like Mike Wallace and a better 5 tech at 32 than we did at 3)

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

New England has great ownership, Belichick and Tom Brady.

We have none of those.

Indianapolis has great ownership, a great front office (who built 3 contenders) and Peyton Manning.

Pittsburgh has great ownership, Polamalu, Hampton, and Roethlisberger.

Our problem is that we have no organizational philosophy aside from "Just do exactly what happened in New England".

Well, no two scenarios are exactly the same.

The reason why a guy like Mike Tomlin is a good coach is b/c he's a Tampa 2 guy but he realizes his talent works best in a 3-4, so he doesnt' **** with it. Pittsburgh also drafts to the strength of the draft (which is why they drafted multiple OL in the mid-late rounds last year, and got a guy like Mike Wallace and a better 5 tech at 32 than we did at 3)

Okay, well if our ownership sucks, I don't know what you want. What is your solution other than cheering for Pittsburgh? These people are already taken, and the ones you're saying work in these organizations IMO are the same style of people we've taken from NE. With both groups its whether or not this person has anything to do with the success of the team.

I don't see any difference between doing what we're doing now, and doing what you're proposing other than basing it around different teams. The people are different, but its not like there's any less of a risk either way. I don't see a difference in risk hiring Weis than anyone in the Steeler organization that they are actually willing to part with. And a difference in talent is something neither you nor I can accurately measure, nor anyone else can. So that's a moot point.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

Okay, well if our ownership sucks, I don't know what you want. What is your solution other than cheering for Pittsburgh? These people are already taken, and the ones you're saying work in these organizations IMO are the same style of people we've taken from NE. With both groups its whether or not this person has anything to do with the success of the team.

I don't see any difference between doing what we're doing now, and doing what you're proposing other than basing it around different teams. The people are different, but its not like there's any less of a risk either way. I don't see a difference in hiring Weis than anyone in the Steeler organization that they are actually willing to part with. And a difference in talent is something neither you nor I can accurately measure, nor anyone else can. So that's a moot point.

You should look at my post about what teams have a repeatable strategy and what team doesn't.