Pioli already knows who he's going to draft.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He probably has as an idea. The Sr. Bowl and game film are way more important then the combine.

No, they're not.

They're all factors in the decision but the Combines help to level the playing field due to the differences in talent across the country.

Also, the personal interviews reveal far more about an individual's character and motivation than game film. Do you seriously think it's wise to invest millions (if not tens of millions) without spending time to do complete an in-depth interview with these players?

It's extremely important to gauge their strength and speed, which is something that can't be garnered by game film.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, they're not.

They're all factors in the decision but the Combines help to level the playing field due to the differences in talent across the country.

Also, the personal interviews reveal far more about an individual's character and motivation than game film. Do you seriously think it's wise to invest millions (if not tens of millions) without spending time to do complete an in-depth interview with these players?

It's extremely important to gauge their strength and speed, which is something that can't be garnered by game film.

You win. How guys played football is less important then running in shorts. I'm from Mars and Draftubators are from Venus. I give up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You win. How guys played football is less important then running in shorts. I'm from Mars and Draftubators are from Venus. I give up.

What the **** are you talking about?

I stated that they are ALL factors.

Where did I point out that one was more important than another?

Learn how to ****ing READ before insulting others, Prick.

[googlegoogle]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, they're not.

They're all factors in the decision but the Combines help to level the playing field due to the differences in talent across the country.

Also, the personal interviews reveal far more about an individual's character and motivation than game film. Do you seriously think it's wise to invest millions (if not tens of millions) without spending time to do complete an in-depth interview with these players?

It's extremely important to gauge their strength and speed, which is something that can't be garnered by game film.

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

Then Pioli's a ****ing moron.

Which shouldn't be a surprise.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

And there is no doubt what I guy does with the pads on in a game is what really matters. This should be obvious.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

He also said he loved scouting and showed that by signing 1 cut who was from his former team.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

How does a GM thinking that game film is the most important thing equal Pioli already knowing who he will draft? Big leap there.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

Good. That's the way it should be. These scouts travel the country and work relentlessly, watching games live, talking to coaches, talking to references, etc... getting a detailed snapshot of every single player. In most cases, I'm sure the combine doesn't tell the team a whole lot that you don't know already. You get a few surprises here and there in terms of combine performance that are inconsistent with what scouts tell you, and if they do, you take a second or third look. But for the majority of players, if your scouts have done their homework, then the combine is mostly a show.

The biggest problem, actually, is when coaches/GMs go on power trips because they love the way the guy runs in shorts, even when the scouts tell them they're not that good (see Junior Siavii). And I've heard this happens quite a bit--it certainly happened with Vermeil. The GM and coaches don't have time to travel around the country and watch every game. The scouts are the ones with all the juicy information. I would rather we rely on scouts than a GM who's only seen these guys a few times.

And by the way, I think Pioli was being facetious. He also made a comment a few days ago about how he doesn't like players who don't try out for the combine because he doesn't think they should have anything to hide. Obviously, he does find it important enough.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Good. That's the way it should be. These scouts travel the country and work relentlessly, watching games live, talking to coaches, talking to references, etc... getting a detailed snapshot of every single player. In most cases, I'm sure the combine doesn't tell the team a whole lot that you don't know already. You get a few surprises here and there in terms of combine performance that are inconsistent with what scouts tell you, and if they do, you take a second or third look. But for the majority of players, if your scouts have done their homework, then the combine is mostly a show.

The biggest problem, actually, is when coaches/GMs go on power trips because they love the way the guy runs in shorts, even when the scouts tell them they're not that good (see Junior Siavii). And I've heard this happens quite a bit--it certainly happened with Vermeil. The GM and coaches don't have time to travel around the country and watch every game. The scouts are the ones with all the juicy information. I would rather we rely on scouts than a GM who's only seen these guys a few times.

And by the way, I think Pioli was being facetious. He also made a comment a few days ago about how he doesn't like players who don't try out for the combine because he doesn't think they should have anything to hide. Obviously, he does find it important enough.

More Pioli ass kissing.

You are so ****ing duplicitous.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

More Pioli ass kissing.

You are so ****ing duplicitous.

And big ****ing surprise, you're the one who is making a mountain out of an imaginary mohill. Yes, it's definitely true that Scott Pioli, who is ever-present during the combine doesn't give a shit about the combine because... he said so in his interview. I heard he's sitting in the corner with his headphones on listening to Tupac and flipping people off.

Nothing I said was wrong. The combine is overrated. Teams find a few surprises and, if you do, then yes you take an extra look at the guy. But you talk about interviews... you think the scouts haven't done that already? You think the scouts haven't interviewed every single last person that knows a good prospect? They probably even know what color briefs prospects wear.

So yes, I'd rather the scouts be the most influential people in the process than a GM that is probably seeing these guys for the first time at the Senior Bowl or Combine. The Combine is meant to either confirm or refute what scouts have already seen. And if it refutes, you take an extra look. But the majority of the homework is already done. That's not unique to the Chiefs. That is the way almost every franchise runs their scouting operations. Why do you think the Chiefs had such a shitty draft in 2009? Because Pioli stupidly froze his scouts out and decided he was going to make all of his decisions based on the senior bowl and combine. Stupid decision.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Nothing I said was wrong. The combine is overrated. Teams find a few surprises and, if you do, then yes you take an extra look at the guy. But you talk about interviews... you think the scouts haven't done that already? You think the scouts haven't interviewed every single last person that knows a good prospect? They probably even know what color briefs prospects wear.

So yes, I'd rather the scouts be the most influential people in the process than a GM that is probably seeing these guys for the first time at the Senior Bowl or Combine. The Combine is meant to either confirm or refute what scouts have already seen. And if it refutes, you take an extra look. But the majority of the homework is already done. That's not unique to the Chiefs. That is the way almost every franchise runs their scouting operations. Why do you think the Chiefs had such a shitty draft in 2009? Because Pioli stupidly froze his scouts out and decided he was going to make all of his decisions based on the senior bowl and combine. Stupid decision.

I'd say you're pretty much correct. I recall one GM saying the Scout interviews during the school year were the most important. By the time the teams interview prospects at the combine the players have all retained agents who have coached them to say the right things.