Posting Political/Religious Threads in the Main Forum

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

You don't even address the biggest issue here. The biggest issue is the gray area between news/current events and politics and the way that line has a tendency to shift depending on who the poster is. As someone pointed out early on, this thread could be considered political, but since Frazod posted it, he's not available to whine about it.

It's not very gray IMO. If it's political or religious, then it stays in the DC, no matter who posts it (a DC regular, a Lounge-only regular, or a total noob).

The LONE exception is a major news event, one that rises above politics, then it stays in the Lounge until it's hijacked (then moved).

That exception is handled by the mods and they usually get it right. That's a gray area I'm comfortable with.

But the question being raised here is people who are deliberately and repeatedly trying to take minor stories with a political or religious angle and turning it into a debate in the Lounge.

That's worthy of punishment.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jAZ

It's not very gray IMO. If it's political or religious, then it stays in the DC, no matter who posts it (a DC regular, a Lounge-only regular, or a total noob).

The LONE exception is a major news event, one that rises above politics, then it stays in the Lounge until it's hijacked (then moved).

That exception is handled by the mods and they usually get it right. That's a gray area I'm comfortable with.

Whether you realize it or not, that's a huge gray area when you've got people like Frazod around. You may know it when you see it, but different people have different opinions about where the line is drawn.

In any event, it's worth repeating that you are one of the biggest reasons there's a problem with political topics in the Lounge to begin with. You were one of the two or three who couldn't contain yourself enough to avoid spamming the board late in the 2004 election cycle and now we all pay for your sins. You're a little like the drug addict who first argued for the banishment to save the board from yourself and who, after going into recovery, now argues in favor of harsh sentences for other drug users.

Originally Posted by jAZ

But the question being raised here is people who are deliberately and repeatedly trying to take minor stories with a political or religious angle and turning it into a debate in the Lounge.

That's worthy of punishment.

That's actually not the question being raised here. I almost never post a thread in the Lounge. I even more rarely post a thread that has any tangential relationship to politics here. Frazod makes it clear that he considers my recent Cheney prayer thread to be objectionable. By your own standards, a prayer thread belongs in the Lounge where the prayer thread prefix is available and even if DC had prayer prefixes, it's still just a news story as long as it isn't about political positions or a political campaign, IMO. Despite all this, Frazod and a few others didn't "know it when they saw it" the same way you say you would. Furthermore, several of the people who complain about politics in the Lounge actively worked to turn the Cheney prayer thread political, some even went so far as to post irrelevant content about abortion in the effort.

If anyone is worthy of punishment in that scenario (and I'm not advocating punishment here), it's not the guy who just wanted to generate positive thoughts for another human being. It's the people who don't want politics in the Lounge so much that they apparently couldn't resist trying to load the thread down with politics.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That's actually not the question being raised here. I almost never post a thread in the Lounge. I even more rarely post a thread that has any tangential relationship to politics here. Frazod makes it clear that he considers my recent Cheney prayer thread to be objectionable. By your own standards, a prayer thread belongs in the Lounge where the prayer thread prefix is available and even if DC had prayer prefixes, it's still just a news story as long as it isn't about political positions or a political campaign, IMO. Despite all this, Frazod and a few others didn't "know it when they saw it" the same way you say you would. Furthermore, several of the people who complain about politics in the Lounge actively worked to turn the Cheney prayer thread political, some even went so far as to post irrelevant content about abortion in the effort.

If anyone is worthy of punishment in that scenario (and I'm not advocating punishment here), it's not the guy who just wanted to generate positive thoughts for another human being. It's the people who don't want politics in the Lounge so much that they apparently couldn't resist trying to load the thread down with politics.

In all fairness Pat you knew what you were doing when you started a prayer thread about Cheney in the Lounge. I went and read through the thread and you even admitted in your OP that it would be moved to DC. You can't blame anybody but yourself on this one so don't try to play little mrs. innocent.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

In all fairness Pat you knew what you were doing when you started a prayer thread about Cheney in the Lounge. I went and read through the thread and you even admitted in your OP that it would be moved to DC. You can't blame anybody but yourself on this one so don't try to play little mrs. innocent.

I didn't "admit" that "it would be moved". I made my case for why I didn't think it was political and left it in the hands of the mods, knowing that there would be people like Frazod who would complain regardless of content just because I'm associated with DC.

If you're really interested in fairness, you should admit that the OP wasn't political and that I didn't do anything to make the thread political. It could have just as easily been a prayer request for a rock star or a NASCAR driver as for a former politician based on the way I treated it prior to it's overnight retirement to the DC forum.

Edit: BTW, I think the mods handled that particular thread in a fine fashion.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I didn't "admit" that "it would be moved". I made my case for why I didn't think it was political and left it in the hands of the mods, knowing that there would be people like Frazod who would complain regardless of content just because I'm associated with DC.

If you're really interested in fairness, you should admit that the OP wasn't political and that I didn't do anything to make the thread political. It could have just as easily been a prayer request for a rock star or a NASCAR driver as for a former politician based on the way I treated it prior to it's overnight retirement to the DC forum.

Edit: BTW, I think the mods handled that particular thread in a fine fashion.

You know what you were doing when you started the thread and the mere mention in the OP that you had no problem having it moved to DC if it warranted proves that you knew from the beginning it was political and that people would view that way.

And let's be honest Dick Cheney is not like a rock star or a NASCAR driver he is a politician which mean your thread was political and should have been in DC to begin with.

But in all honesty I could care less and people might have thought I was joking but we should merge it all back into the Lounge in the off-season and create some fun and chaos.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You know what you were doing when you started the thread and the mere mention in the OP that you had no problem having it moved to DC if it warranted proves that you knew from the beginning it was political and that people would view that way.

And let's be honest Dick Cheney is not like a rock star or a NASCAR driver he is a politician which mean your thread was political and should have been in DC to begin with.

But in all honesty I could care less and people might have thought I was joking but we should merge it all back into the Lounge in the off-season and create some fun and chaos.

I completely disagree on the Cheney thread. I NEVER go into DC, and caught the news about Cheney in the Lounge. I think it was something that most would want to know. JMO.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I completely disagree on the Cheney thread. I NEVER go into DC, and caught the news about Cheney in the Lounge. I think it was something that most would want to know. JMO.

Be quiet doomy you are not helping any.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I completely disagree on the Cheney thread. I NEVER go into DC, and caught the news about Cheney in the Lounge. I think it was something that most would want to know. JMO.

There's a lot of news in the DC that fits this description. That doesn't change the fact that it's a political thread and a political stunt by patteeu (I always spell your name right too).

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You know what you were doing when you started the thread and the mere mention in the OP that you had no problem having it moved to DC if it warranted proves that you knew from the beginning it was political and that people would view that way.

And let's be honest Dick Cheney is not like a rock star or a NASCAR driver he is a politician which mean your thread was political and should have been in DC to begin with.

But in all honesty I could care less and people might have thought I was joking but we should merge it all back into the Lounge in the off-season and create some fun and chaos.

No, I knew that some small-minded, knee-jerk members might see it as political, but it was definitely not political. There wasn't a political thought, idea, or argument advanced in that OP at all, nor in any of my posts prior to the point at which the thread was moved to DC late that night.

And it doesn't matter whether Cheney is a politician or not (in fact, he's nothing but an aspiring author now). If Barack Obama were assassinated tomorrow (heaven forbid), the fact that he was a politician wouldn't mean that a news thread about the event shouldn't be posted here.

As for merging the forums for a couple of weeks, I think your idea is a good one. Of course, I think the forums should be merged permanently, but I realize that with all the newer posters who have no appreciation for the greatness of pre-split ChiefsPlanet, it would be pretty hard to overcome the natural resistance to change and what has become conventional wisdom around here.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No, I knew that some small-minded, knee-jerk members might see it as political, but it was definitely not political. There wasn't a political thought, idea, or argument advanced in that OP at all, nor in any of my posts prior to the point at which the thread was moved to DC late that night.

And it doesn't matter whether Cheney is a politician or not (in fact, he's nothing but an aspiring author now). If Barack Obama were assassinated tomorrow (heaven forbid), the fact that he was a politician wouldn't mean that a news thread about the event shouldn't be posted here.

As for merging the forums for a couple of weeks, I think your idea is a good one. Of course, I think the forums should be merged permanently, but I realize that with all the newer posters who have no appreciation for the greatness of pre-split ChiefsPlanet, it would be pretty hard to overcome the natural resistance to change and what has become conventional wisdom around here.

I think newer members who read bullshit like this will develop an instant appreciation for the creation of DC, which remains the single greatest thing to ever happen to this board.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

There wasn't a political thought, idea, or argument advanced in that OP at all

Ha! If I recall, you started your Dick Cheney image-rehabilitation sympathy stunt by telling CP how much they loved Dick Cheney?

[RJ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

As for merging the forums for a couple of weeks, I think your idea is a good one. Of course, I think the forums should be merged permanently, but I realize that with all the newer posters who have no appreciation for the greatness of pre-split ChiefsPlanet, it would be pretty hard to overcome the natural resistance to change and what has become conventional wisdom around here.

I shudder to think of it. I pretty much stopped visiting this place after the 04election. The DC forum and an influx of new posters who didn't always take themselves so seriously (FAX, for instance) were what made this place enjoyable again for me.

I enjoy reading DC and I'm glad it's there, but I really don't like it leaking over to this side.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That's actually not the question being raised here. I almost never post a thread in the Lounge. I even more rarely post a thread that has any tangential relationship to politics here. Frazod makes it clear that he considers my recent Cheney prayer thread to be objectionable. By your own standards, a prayer thread belongs in the Lounge where the prayer thread prefix is available and even if DC had prayer prefixes, it's still just a news story as long as it isn't about political positions or a political campaign, IMO. Despite all this, Frazod and a few others didn't "know it when they saw it" the same way you say you would. Furthermore, several of the people who complain about politics in the Lounge actively worked to turn the Cheney prayer thread political, some even went so far as to post irrelevant content about abortion in the effort.

If anyone is worthy of punishment in that scenario (and I'm not advocating punishment here), it's not the guy who just wanted to generate positive thoughts for another human being. It's the people who don't want politics in the Lounge so much that they apparently couldn't resist trying to load the thread down with politics.

Oooh, that's right! I had forgotten about your stunt. Yeah, you were indeed guilty of trying to manipulate the rules and take a minor political news story and turn it into a public fawning over your favorite politician.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Oooh, that's right! I had forgotten about your stunt. Yeah, you were indeed guilty of trying to manipulate the rules and take a minor political news story and turn it into a public fawning over your favorite politician.

See, you don't really know it when you see it and your deficient "know it when you see it" standard is in conflict with your "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. Your position is a mess, to be honest.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

See, you don't really know it when you see it and your deficient "know it when you see it" standard is in conflict with your "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. Your position is a mess, to be honest.

I have no idea what you are saying, but I'll assume you are confused.

I have been accused of deliberately posting political threads in the Lounge and I never did that. I've posted them there on accident in the past. I stopped doing it all together when we setup the prefixes because I would notice that the list of choices wasn't the right list, and I'd avoid the accident. It's never happened again since then.

Now if you are indeed trying to put a political thread in the Lounge, you will see the list of Lounge prefixes and look for one that fits your stunt. I'm guessing you picked "prayer" for yours.