Posting Political/Religious Threads in the Main Forum

[Frazod]

Eventually a mod shows up to move the damned thing, but this has been happening way too much lately.

We have a special playground for all your politards and bible thumpers/haters for a reason.

I propose that from this point forward people who do this should lose their thread starting privileges, at least temporarily.

[38yrsfan]

Originally Posted by Donger

Perhaps any and all interaction among posters should be verboten? That'd solve everything, wouldn't it?

It would definitely cut down the STD numbers ....

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I voted yes. But there is a slight problem here. Some threads start up as anything but political, but other posters make it so. For example, if I post anything from the old country simply because it's cute or has cultural value the usual suspects jump in and start with the insults and political attacks. Then according to this poll, I would be in danger of losing my thread privileges. Fraz should have included an option to direct the blame to the repliers who would make a non-political thread political.

Just my 2 cents.

I hear you, Frankie. That's a reasonable take. Same thing happened to me in the thread that got stuck in Frazod's craw.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by RJ

There is a difference between "well informed" and "full of shit".

I'm mostly joking here Donger, but at the same time it's not too hard to spot the difference between those who really know what they're talking about and those who pretend to. And I'm sure you know what I mean.

It's sort of an intellectual version of the Internet Tough Guy.

Edit: None of that is directed at you, BTW.

Please don't blow my cover.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I hear you, Frankie. That's a reasonable take. Same thing happened to me in the thread that got stuck in Frazod's craw.

Sorry, patty. Nobody bought it before, nobody buys it now.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Please don't blow my cover.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by frazod

Sorry, patty. Nobody bought it before, nobody buys it now.

The way I look at these things is that we're all responsible for the things we post. I'm not responsible for the things posted by you and Laz and the others who insisted on getting political in that thread though. To the extent that that thread went political, it's on you guys.

I created a non-political prayer thread, said some nice things about a guy I respect, told some humorous but non-political anecdotes, and turned the other cheek when naysayers came out from under their rocks. I think I defended my position pretty well, even if you don't.

[Frazod]

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Donger

Many of the topics in DC have a direct and tangible impact on our lives. As such, it makes sense to be well-informed of them. It seems that people who have a dislike of politics (or other topics in that lounge) would rather not deal with such topics, for whatever reason. As you wrote, "fantasy sports teams."

There are plenty of us who follow politics and have opinions on political issues. You guys did this to yourselves. But in typical political fashion, it'll be spun onto all us idiots in the main forum.

It doesn't mean I don't like politics or follow politics, but sitting here watching the same group of people argue along the same party lines over and over became repetitive and pointless. The only thing it accomplished was make people angry at each other.

[RJ]

Besides managing my fantasy sports teams, I sometimes read big books with lots of words and no pictures. I also get the paper every morning and I don't even read the comics. Except for Sundays, of course. On Sunday mornings I read the comics and eat pancakes and never watch Meet the Press. I love Sunday morning.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Yes, I picked "prayer" because it was a prayer thread. Therefore, according to your "the prefix tells me where to post" standard, I was in good shape.

I don't have a "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. In fact, there can't be a "prefix tells me where to post" standard since anyone could rationalize literally any thread in DC under several literally any post in DC using just a couple of the prefixes in the Lounge.

"News"
"Life"
"Science"
"Money"
"Prayer"
"Weather"

Not to mention the way too easy... "Misc" and "Poop"

Just because you can find a way to rationalize that something is (some Lounge prefix) doesn't mean it's not political.

The standard should be "if it's about public policy, hot button political topics, political news, politicians, religion or religious news" then it should stay in DC.

I'd say that the lone exception (policed by the judgement of the mods) should be major national or local KC news stories. That's a judgement call of the Mods but it's rare.

Dick Cheney going into the hospital for the Nth time isn't a major news story. Neither is Obama getting a clean bill of health.
Praying for Obama to quit smoking or Cheney to get healthy or Biden to shut his mouth aren't exceptions either.

Bush or Cheney or Gore or Clinton or Obama or Biden dying would probably qualify as an exception.
Kerry or McCain or even Palin would be a close call but I'd lean toward major national news.
Emanuel Cleaver dying would definitely qualify as an exception (because it's a major KC story).
Stephanie Tubbs Jones dying wouldn't.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by patteeu

TI created a non-political prayer thread, said some nice things about a guy I respect, told some humorous but non-political anecdotes, and turned the other cheek when naysayers came out from under their rocks. I think I defended my position pretty well, even if you don't.

You tried to hide a political image rehabilitation thread behind a sympathy inviting prayer thread.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by tk13

There are plenty of us who follow politics and have opinions on political issues. You guys did this to yourselves. But in typical political fashion, it'll be spun onto all us idiots in the main forum.

It doesn't mean I don't like politics or follow politics, but sitting here watching the same group of people argue along the same party lines over and over became repetitive and pointless. The only thing it accomplished was make people angry at each other.

While I tend to agree with your assessment of DC, I also think that it's perfectly reasonable for people to choose to participate in those discussions. And it's perfectly reasonable for others to ask to keep that fuss to a separate forum.

[Miles]

Originally Posted by jAZ

While I tend to agree with your assessment of DC, I also think that it's perfectly reasonable for people to choose to participate in those discussions. And it's perfectly reasonable for others to ask to keep that fuss to a separate forum.

In a way it's pretty similar to isolating the occasional group of people that likes to argue politics at a party which inevitably drags in others that normally would prefer to be having a more casual time there.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I don't have a "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. In fact, there can't be a "prefix tells me where to post" standard since anyone could rationalize literally any thread in DC under several literally any post in DC using just a couple of the prefixes in the Lounge.

"News"
"Life"
"Science"
"Money"
"Prayer"
"Weather"

Not to mention the way too easy... "Misc" and "Poop"

Just because you can find a way to rationalize that something is (some Lounge prefix) doesn't mean it's not political.

The standard should be "if it's about public policy, hot button political topics, political news, politicians, religion or religious news" then it should stay in DC.

I'd say that the lone exception (policed by the judgement of the mods) should be major national or local KC news stories. That's a judgement call of the Mods but it's rare.

Dick Cheney going into the hospital for the Nth time isn't a major news story. Neither is Obama getting a clean bill of health.
Praying for Obama to quit smoking or Cheney to get healthy or Biden to shut his mouth aren't exceptions either.

Bush or Cheney or Gore or Clinton or Obama or Biden dying would probably qualify as an exception.
Kerry or McCain or even Palin would be a close call but I'd lean toward major national news.
Emanuel Cleaver dying would definitely qualify as an exception (because it's a major KC story).
Stephanie Tubbs Jones dying wouldn't.

You're all over the map on this. First you've got a "prefix tells me where to post" standard that makes it impossible to make the mistakes that you were apparently prone to make (wink wink) and now you don't have a "prefix tells me where to post" because the prefixes don't give enough guidance. Pick a position and stick with it.

Needless to say, I don't find any of your various evolving standards compelling. I know I've never posted a political thread in the Lounge, "accidentally" or otherwise, whether there were prefixes or not. But I can remember you arguing that a thread you posted was news when people like Frazod were trying to say you were violating this rule. I remember that because I stuck up for you at the time and because that's when I first pointed out that the same thread posted by a poster like Rain Man or FAX would have been allowed. In addition to being a mess, you're a hypocrite just like when you were a hypocrite after you created the 2004 election mess and then joined the pro-banishment side in the aftermath. I come to the reluctant conclusion that this board would have been a lot better off if we'd have just banned you instead of splitting the forum.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by RJ

Besides managing my fantasy sports teams, I sometimes read big books with lots of words and no pictures. I also get the paper every morning and I don't even read the comics. Except for Sundays, of course. On Sunday mornings I read the comics and eat pancakes and never watch Meet the Press. I love Sunday morning.