Combine Winners and Losers

['Hamas' Jenkins]

These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others

Winners:

OL:

Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not).

Bruce Campbell. Absolute ****ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills

Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought

Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2.


DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength.

Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams.

Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect.

Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted

Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder.

Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4.


LB:

Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE.

Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer.

Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline.

DB:

Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity.

Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed.


QB:

None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids.

WR:

Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone

Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed.

Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though.


RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question.

Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque.

Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option


TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools.

Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare.


Losers:

QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a ****ing bum. Well, bums have heart...

Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts.


WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4")

Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock.

Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted

RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was.

TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year.


OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good.

Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance.


DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass.

George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now.

Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2.

DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh

LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth.

Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more.

Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant.

DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff.

Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mike Brown absolutely killed this defense,

So why is it that the one year that Mike Brown isn't injury prone is the year that he is sucking it up for the Chiefs? This franchise is cursed.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by arc

So why is it that the one year that Mike Brown isn't injury prone is the year that he is sucking it up for the Chiefs? This franchise is cursed.

Valid point.

The worthless asswipe could've at least blown out his knee again or something.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mike Brown was All-Pro. Until they shore up the NT spot, get a better ILB, get more pressure on the qb and have a better corner opposite of Flowers, it wouldn't matter if the Chiefs had Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott back there. A lot of people have this misconception that by drafting Eric Berry that the Chiefs all of a sudden become the Baltimore Ravens defensively, and it doesn't work that way.

I fully understand that both safety positions need help. But so does the offensive line, even more than safety does. Because we don't know for sure about Albert at the LT spot after two full years of starting at the position, regardless of the scheme, it's a red flag at this point.

Oh Jesus Christ please watch football more. Not only do you think Albert doesn't have it but you think Carr doesn't have it either?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mike Brown was All-Pro. .

Are you serious? You are saying that KC doesn't have a dire need for a safety because Mike Brown was an all pro when Dick Vermeil was coaching the Chiefs? That's full reerun.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Oh Jesus Christ please watch football more. Not only do you think Albert doesn't have it but you think Carr doesn't have it either?

Carr has gotten better, but he still struggles with his hip turn and loses a lot of his speed when receivers go on post routes against him.

He's okay I guess.

And I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Albert has struggled at left tackle for two years now. It's not just me who has come to this conclusion.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Are you serious? You are saying that KC doesn't have a dire need for a safety because Mike Brown was an all pro when Dick Vermeil was coaching the Chiefs? That's full reerun.

No, I'm saying that a safety needs help from the people up front to create situations where mistakes are being made by the quarterback, running back, receivers, etc. that allow the safety to make plays versus forcing them to be the "last line of defense" guy that Brown and McGraw were last season.

Im saying that Brown has been a playmaker for his whole career, but having an excellent defense in front of him allowed him to make those plays. On the Chiefs, there wasn't much happening that allowed him to do that.

As I stated, you could put Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott on this team and it wouldn't drastically help matters. That's why I'm saying that the pick of Berry is a bit frivolous at this point for the Chiefs. (Although he would help in nickel alignment situations.)

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Carr has gotten better, but he still struggles with his hip turn and loses a lot of his speed when receivers go on post routes against him.

He's okay I guess.

And I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Albert has struggled at left tackle for two years now. It's not just me who has come to this conclusion.

OK you guess? He was basically equivalent to Flowers last year (minus the ball skills). Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

He was too fat/Haley

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

OK you guess? He was basically equivalent to Flowers last year (minus the ball skills). Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

Albert also improved markedly as the season progressed last season.

The kid is a LT in this league.

I've had this discussion several times already, but we ran the ball as anyone in football in the 2nd half last year and got sacked singificantly less often as the season went on (even with Cassel's ball-clamping ways back there). The line was pretty decent as the season went on.

I've said it before, outside of the CBs and Charles, the O-line was our most effective unit by the end of the season.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Albert also improved markedly as the season progressed last season.

The kid is a LT in this league.

I've had this discussion several times already, but we ran the ball as anyone in football in the 2nd half last year and got sacked singificantly less often as the season went on (even with Cassel's ball-clamping ways back there). The line was pretty decent as the season went on.

I've said it before, outside of the CBs and Charles, the O-line was our most effective unit by the end of the season.

No, no, no.

Albert has been shit since the day he was born.

Just ask sackofshit.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Originally Posted by Jerm

I think Eric Berry is the biggest winner...solidified himself as the #1 player in this draft IMO, safety or not.

Dude is a playmaker and that's all that matters.

We will be extremely lucky if he slides to us at #5 and if we pass on him, I will hunt Scott Pioli down myself. It would be beyond moronic.

Agreed.........even though he let a throw go right through his hands in a drill, promting Deion Sanders to give him some business. I hope we pick Berry, though. Can get OL help in the lower rounds.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No, I'm saying that a safety needs help from the people up front to create situations where mistakes are being made by the quarterback, running back, receivers, etc. that allow the safety to make plays versus forcing them to be the "last line of defense" guy that Brown and McGraw were last season.

Im saying that Brown has been a playmaker for his whole career, but having an excellent defense in front of him allowed him to make those plays. On the Chiefs, there wasn't much happening that allowed him to do that.

As I stated, you could put Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott on this team and it wouldn't drastically help matters. That's why I'm saying that the pick of Berry is a bit frivolous at this point for the Chiefs. (Although he would help in nickel alignment situations.)

Not in a 3-4, it's not. I agree that safeties are more likely to get picked off when the front 3 doesn't do their job, or when they're covering the asses for our LBs.

But Safeties have become one of the more vital piece to a 3-4, because it gives you so much range for the kinds of looks you can give an opposing defense. Polamalu can blow up screens, play as a corner, or rush the QB, in addition to being big/tough enough to be big in run support. There are a lot of looks Lebeau can't give when Polamalu isn't in the game--he's that important.

O-linemen, 3-4 D-linemen, Inside Linebackers are all paid to do their jobs well, but they're not going to be playmakers that completely change the way you play defense/offense. A Safety has the potential to turn your defense from vanilla to innovative. One player is that important.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Not in a 3-4, it's not. I agree that safeties are more likely to get picked off when the front 3 doesn't do their job, or when they're covering the asses for our LBs.

But Safeties have become one of the more vital piece to a 3-4, because it gives you so much range for the kinds of looks you can give an opposing defense. Polamalu can blow up screens, play as a corner, or rush the QB, in addition to being big/tough enough to be big in run support. There are a lot of looks Lebeau can't give when Polamalu isn't in the game--he's that important.

O-linemen, 3-4 D-linemen, Inside Linebackers are all paid to do their jobs well, but they're not going to be playmakers that completely change the way you play defense/offense. A Safety has the potential to turn your defense from vanilla to innovative. One player is that important.

Shutup dick, you don't know what you're talking.....

Wait...what did you say?

If I agree with you, then I'm clearly mistaken. I generally find you to be the football equivalent of a CoMo prognostication.

Good thing I'm pro-Clausen or I'd be really concerned about backing Berry.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Im saying that Brown has been a playmaker for his whole career, but having an excellent defense in front of him allowed him to make those plays. On the Chiefs, there wasn't much happening that allowed him to do that.

2005 was his last year as a playmaker. He's slow as shit because of age and a history of major injuries.

But lets assume you are correct, that DB's will benefit from an improved DL. So what? What does that have to do with KC drafting Berry? KC has two top 5 picks invested in the DL. There isn't a NT ranked as high as Berry, nor is there a pass rushing OLB ranked that high. Why not go with the safety?