Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I'm talking about are some of the members here screaming and whining and bitching that THEIR players weren't chosen.

FTR, I happen to like most of those guys quite a bit and communicate with them outside of the forum. I have great respect for them as human beings and our friendships.

I just happen to think they're wrong.

Passing up a franchise QB for a ****ing 5 tech is criminal. Drafting for a one year wonder was flat out dumb. Taking another 5 tech and a junior CB with issues was asinine. I've complained about all of those moves for the past year and I haven't changed my opinion.

But in taking the best safety prospect in a decade, two dynamic players, a ****ing stud guard and a TE with a gigantic upside, I have absolutely NO complaints. I like the 5th round selections as well.

I think this 40 time bullshit is overrated as well. Scouts look at two things: How fast a guy plays (projected 40 time) and his 40 time. If his projected time is faster than his actual time, that means he's an instinctual player on defense. There have been plenty of "fast" draft choices (Gholston, DJ, etc.) that can't play at the next level consistently (or at all) because they aren't instinctive football players.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs DID address needs in the 2010 draft but obviously not the "needs" that some felt were necessary this year.

And that is why I haven't been yelling at you or calling you names since yesterday -- we may have some disagreements regarding this draft but your positions are well-argued and sensible. I was disappointed though when you called me out for faux outrage, implying that I would have bitched no matter what happened in the draft.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

And that is why I haven't been yelling at you or calling you names since yesterday -- we may have some disagreements regarding this draft but your positions are well-argued and sensible. I was disappointed though when you called me out for faux outrage, implying that I would have bitched no matter what happened in the draft.

I apologize. It wasn't my intent to single you out though upon re-reading, I completely understand how you read it as such.

Again, my apologies.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

implying that I would have bitched no matter what happened in the draft.

that's the point though...

Mecca and Hamas (with a hint of OTWP) do it every single year...

There is never going to be a draft...EVER AGAIN...where the Chiefs take their guys every round...

It's not going to happen...

They'll continue to read the same projections they read from the same people every year...and vastly overrate some guys just like everyone does...and then when the Chiefs are on the clock they'll take their McCluster's and Arenas' and draft the way the drafturbators used to be all over Carl about (drafting by BPA rather than drafting for need)...

It's so funny to me that these guys are so upset about us not taking a NT or an ILB when three years ago it was all about taking the BPA and the Chiefs would never be good because all Carl does is draft for need rather than taking the best players on the board...

I have no doubt in my mind the Chiefs took their #1 guy when they drafted McCluster AND Arenas...

All I know is...there were huge ??? around guys like Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, etc... last year...playmakers in college not translating to the pro game...

Well...

McCluster is going to be a flat out stud...and Arenas is going to step in from day 1 with Eric Berry and make our secondary a strength for the first time in a LONG time...and if he provides something like Devin Hester provided for the Bears for a few years in the return game...that pick is all sorts of WIN...

we added three players that gives our offense some serious potential (McCluster/Moeaki/Asomoah)...we have tremendous depth in the return game now...and we added a corner who, like Flowers, would have definitely been drafted higher had he been taller and ran a little better...Arenas' track record in college was very impressive.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

that's the point though...

Mecca and Hamas (with a hint of OTWP) do it every single year...

There is never going to be a draft...EVER AGAIN...where the Chiefs take their guys every round...

It's not going to happen...

They'll continue to read the same projections they read from the same people every year...and vastly overrate some guys just like everyone does...and then when the Chiefs are on the clock they'll take their McCluster's and Arenas' and draft the way the drafturbators used to be all over Carl about (drafting by BPA rather than drafting for need)...

It's so funny to me that these guys are so upset about us not taking a NT or an ILB when three years ago it was all about taking the BPA and the Chiefs would never be good because all Carl does is draft for need rather than taking the best players on the board...

I have no doubt in my mind the Chiefs took their #1 guy when they drafted McCluster AND Arenas...

All I know is...there were huge ??? around guys like Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, etc... last year...playmakers in college not translating to the pro game...

Well...

McCluster is going to be a flat out stud...and Arenas is going to step in from day 1 with Eric Berry and make our secondary a strength for the first time in a LONG time...and if he provides something like Devin Hester provided for the Bears for a few years in the return game...that pick is all sorts of WIN...

we added three players that gives our offense some serious potential (McCluster/Moeaki/Asomoah)...we have tremendous depth in the return game now...and we added a corner who, like Flowers, would have definitely been drafted higher had he been taller and ran a little better...Arenas' track record in college was very impressive.

Your post would make a lot more sense if Pioli DID draft BPA. This was not a BPA draft. Outside of the 1st round it was far, far from a BPA draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Your post would make a lot more sense if Pioli DID draft BPA. This was not a BPA draft. Outside of the 1st round it was far, far from a BPA draft.

Had he taken the BPA, we wouldn't be upset.

The BPA at both picks in R2 were either OLB, ILB or NT.

Value met need, and we passed.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Had he taken the BPA, we wouldn't be upset.

The BPA at both picks in R2 were either OLB, ILB or NT.

Value met need, and we passed.

Mel Kiper, Walter Football, Hamas Jenkins...just because their BPA is a NT...doesn't mean he's the BPA on the Chiefs board.

You guys are colossal morons and you prove it every single draft weekend.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Mel Kiper, Walter Football, Hamas Jenkins...just because their BPA is a NT...doesn't mean he's the BPA on the Chiefs board.

You guys are colossal morons and you prove it every single draft weekend.

Yep just like you defended that giant turd of a draft from last year.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yep just like you defended that giant turd of a draft from last year.

I don't think I defended it at all...

Last year...

I was 100% on the...

Well, I have no idea, these aren't exciting picks but Pioli is the executive of the decade fence...

and we still have no idea whether or not that draft class is a failure yet anyways...depends on Jackson and Cassel...so far, off to a bad start.

But at no point was I like "wow, this class is going to be great!" last year...at NO point.

This year...wow...I feel 100% confident we had a MONSTER draft...

Berry and Asomoah are locks...McCluster and Arenas have game changing ability and tremendous track records...and if their game transitions into the pro game...wow. Right there. We win...

Anything we get from Moeaki or our 5th round picks is just gravy.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Mel Kiper, Walter Football, Hamas Jenkins...just because their BPA is a NT...doesn't mean he's the BPA on the Chiefs board.

You guys are colossal morons and you prove it every single draft weekend.

....LOL......"This".....LOL..


I see why they don't like you.....


PhilFree

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by philfree

....LOL......"This".....LOL..


I see why they don't like you.....


PhilFree

Because he's more uneducated about this topic than even you are?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Your post would make a lot more sense if Pioli DID draft BPA. This was not a BPA draft. Outside of the 1st round it was far, far from a BPA draft.

This is laughable bullshit

It really is.

Reaper...NEWSFLASH...your best available player isn't Scott Pioli's best available player...

Just because you have "Player X" as your best available doesn't mean Scott Pioli, or any other GM, has that same draft board...

In fact, I find it hilarious that you amateur draft "experts" don't understand that SIMPLY concept...

CLEARLY...the Chiefs were drafting the best on their board when they were on the clock...

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

This is laughable bullshit

It really is.

Reaper...NEWSFLASH...your best available player isn't Scott Pioli's best available player...

Just because you have "Player X" as your best available doesn't mean Scott Pioli, or any other GM, has that same draft board...

In fact, I find it hilarious that you amateur draft "experts" don't understand that SIMPLY concept...

CLEARLY...the Chiefs were drafting the best on their board when they were on the clock...

I'm not sure that they were even doing that, unless they limited their board to very specific kinds of players. For instance, Haley talked about KR being not just a need, but a must. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board at times to players with return ability. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board to team captains. I just don't get the sense that Pioli's board took into account a broad swath of players. They seemed to go really specialized for this draft.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm not sure that they were even doing that, unless they limited their board to very specific kinds of players. For instance, Haley talked about KR being not just a need, but a must. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board at times to players with return ability. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board to team captains. I just don't get the sense that Pioli's board took into account a broad swath of players. They seemed to go really specialized for this draft.

Given their track record, I'd be surprised if they had more than 150 guys on their board. Probably less than that.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm not sure that they were even doing that, unless they limited their board to very specific kinds of players. For instance, Haley talked about KR being not just a need, but a must. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board at times to players with return ability. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board to team captains. I just don't get the sense that Pioli's board took into account a broad swath of players. They seemed to go really specialized for this draft.

As I stated in response to one of Dane's post like it or not any player that had character issues was not going to be picked by the Chiefs. That includes Kindle, Cody and Cam Thomas.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Your post would make a lot more sense if Pioli DID draft BPA. This was not a BPA draft. Outside of the 1st round it was far, far from a BPA draft.

I obviously can't speak for Pioli... but we don't know if that's the case. Some of these guys clearly use a way different board than everyone else. The whole Parcells tree seems to have their own ideas... Bill Polian is out there in left field playing a different game most of the time, etc.