Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs did something that is really really sad in the grand scheme of things, ponder this. Last years draft was very deep in offense, offensive line specifically, this years draft was extremely deep defensively.

In back to back years we have now ignored what the value of the draft was, that is not smart.

So which players outside of round one and two where such amazing values that led to huge contributions on the offensive line last year?

I for one will take Asamoah in the third over anyone selected from the 3rd-7th rounds last year.

FTR, Urbick's been a disaster in Pittsburgh and was my selection in the third round last year.

[Hootie]

just remember...

our board guru took Clausen #1 overall (#48) and Bruce Campbell in the 1st round (he fell to what, pick #106?)...

This is the guy that says the Chiefs don't understand value.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

1.) What you claim are luxury picks are obviously not. Anyone who understands football understands that you need tight ends, for example.

Are Tight Ends more necessary than ILB's and pass rushers, when you have neither?

I guess you don't understand football, because even KC Johnny wouldn't argue that the TE position is more important than having a solid front 7.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

2.) I keep getting confused. How does a NT that falls to the 5th round end up being "highly graded"? Who's doing that grading and, if that grade is accurate, why the hell aren't other teams jumping on those players? Rather than bitching at the team for not drafting that future HOFer, perhaps you should be re-evaluating the analysts.

Cody and Joseph fell to the 5th round? I must have missed that.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

3.) Just to point to a specific player as an example.... Cody was being derided by many here and/or elsewhere for being a big fat player who was too slow, etc... The team that took him will be using him in a 4-3, where his lack of speed and mobility will be less of a problem. How is it suddenly supposed to be a disaster that this kid got passed up by the Chiefs?

Baltimore runs a 43 base defense. Now I've heard everything.

The broadcasters specifically said that Cody and Kelly Gregg will likely split the NT reps in Baltimore's 34 defense.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

4.) You continue to post as if you expect every draft pick to be an instant success in order to avoid bust status. That's clearly not the case. No players busts from the 7th round, just for an easy example. Missing on picks does not prove a team/GM/front office sucks, it just proves that it's the same as every other front office throughout NFL history.

Speaking of expecting instant success...

Didn't we just draft a nickle back last year?

I'm pretty sure we drafted a kick returner last year as well.

And I know we traded up for a tight end last year as well.

Seems like our own Executive of the Decade is guilty of what you just (inaccurately) accused me of.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

5.) Your opinion on BPA is exactly that. It's opinion, not fact.

As is Scott Pioli's. And looking at his overall draft history, I would say putting much stock in his opinions is a mistake.

[Hootie]

Hamas took Bruce Campbell over Anthony Davis...

He's our draft guru, ladies and gentleman.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

NO 40 times do NOT matter.. speed matters. 40 times are not a very accurate way to measure football speed... it's time for us to dump that "measurable"

I said this same exact thing earlier in the thread. I don't don't give a **** if a guy runs a 4.3 but can't play the game.

Conversely, I don't give a **** if a guy runs a 4.7 but is seen making plays all over the field.

Football is about instinct and preparation. While the ideal player is fast, instinctive and prepares (like an Eric Berry), guys that aren't fast but are instinctive and prepared can prosper in the NFL.

[Mecca]

You care about the wonderlic score of a fat guy who takes up blockers lol, you don't even have to have a brain to do what a NT does.

Todd Haley's hate of fat people is going to not allow us to run this scheme properly, NT's are fat get over it.

[teedubya]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sure you know our draft picks will be awesome by the intensity in their eyes.

I'm personally looking forward to have 7 draft picks with "C"s on their jersey.

With all of these "Captains" we may need an Admiral or something

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by aturnis

This has been my opinion since the picks were made. Our problem wasn't necessarily giving up huge run plays

No need to read any further.

4.7 yards per carry allowed, 31st in the league.

The last ranked team allowed 4.8 yards per carry.

To allow an AVERAGE of almost 5 yards a carry in this league, you have to be giving up a lot of big runs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I'm not that worried about our front 7...

people talk all the time about how our run defense was so bad last year...and down the stretch...it did fall apart...that's for sure...especially when Dorsey wasn't playing.

But teams like the Ravens...running teams...they beat us for three quarters by passing the ball over and over and over...because our pass defense was worse than our run defense...and it wasn't even close...

like everyone said...we were TERRIBLE on 3rd and longs defensively last year...

you only have so many picks...apparently Pioli felt like upgrading the secondary was the better move with the players on the board when they were picking...

I have no problem with adding an OG and a TE...both positions of need...and a dynamic playmaker that can play in the slot/run the ball a few times/and return kicks here and there...

I'm sorry...I'm not disappointed about passing on Cam Thomas...and his 12 on the Wonderlic...and the fact that scouts say he takes a ton of plays off...

we will never draft a player like that as long as Pioli is GM...and I tell you what...I'm ok with that.

Dorsey missed one game.

And IIRC, the Ravens ran for over 200 yards in the opener.

[Hootie]

oh man I'm so angry we didn't draft a 5th round NT Cam Thomas who probably can't even read!

the talk on him is he is lazy and takes plays off...

Excuse me for not caring we passed on that guy.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs did something that is really really sad in the grand scheme of things, ponder this. Last years draft was very deep in offense, offensive line specifically, this years draft was extremely deep defensively.

In back to back years we have now ignored what the value of the draft was, that is not smart.

How did we ignore what the value of the draft is? Because we didn't load up on all defensive players?

I'm just failing to understand all the negativity surrounding getting playmakers. People for years on end on this board claim we had no playmakers at all on this team and we needed to get them.

We add a playmaker in McCluster and 2 potentially in the secondary in Berry and Arenas and this has turned into "Pioli only wants choir boys on his team".

I'm sorry, I'm not going to cry over the fact that we didn't get a 2 down fat pig like Cody, who only really offered a warm body to put on the defensive line, instead of someone like Arenas who could do a lot of things in terms of coverage (I'm tired of seeing Brandon Flowers put on slot receivers last year) and in the return game where we had zero production all year.

Our team speed improved tremendously. I'm just not seeing all this constant negativity. As Dane said, it's a lot easier to get inside linebackers and fat bodied NTs than it is to get playmakers like McCluster.

Some of you are also taking this "team captain" bullshit too far. Yes, I'm sure the only criteria was that they were the team captains and not players that could be difference makers. It's not like they don't have a whole productive body of college work to show their abilities. It's just that they are the team captains.

Good ****ing grief.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No need to read any further.

4.7 yards per carry allowed, 31st in the league.

The last ranked team allowed 4.8 yards per carry.

To allow an AVERAGE of almost 5 yards a carry in this league, you have to be giving up a lot of big runs.

But we need a kick returner/slot CB more, if they wanted to take McCluster I can somewhat accept that, but to turn around and take another returner and ignore the front 7 is criminal.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The comparisons to Welker have to stop. So ridiculous.

I don't think it is so ridiculous.

Welker is 5-9 185lbs
McCluster 5-9 170lbs

And at this point I would say McCluster is more explosive than Welker.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dorsey missed one game.

And IIRC, the Ravens ran for over 200 yards in the opener.

yeah and if you watched the opener...you know that it was the pass that really killed us...

they opened up their running game by gashing us with the pass over and over and over again for three quarters...and then Ray Rice put us away after our entire D was totally gassed...

But hey...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

oh man I'm so angry we didn't draft a 5th round NT Cam Thomas who probably can't even read!

the talk on him is he is lazy and takes plays off...

Excuse me for not caring we passed on that guy.

If you haven't noticed, all NT's scouting reports say this. Being 340lbs generally means you are a bit lazy, but in case you missed it, it's required to properly run the damn defense.