Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is ridiculous.

SI and Rick Gosselin think the Chiefs drafts were A+ (Better than Seattle) but I read from a few snarky know-it-alls that because they passed on a ****ing fatass, lazy NT or didn't draft an ILB or broke OLB in the second, Pioli's a moron and the Chiefs are doomed to suck.

Meanwhile, if they HAD taken any of those guys, they all come with significant risks. There is no more risk than usual in an NFL draft by taking a playmaker in McCluster who can virtually play at any skill position on offense or the most dynamic returner (and a damn good CB).

The level of faux outrage displayed by some is completely ****ing laughable AND predictable.

Wow.

These were my exact thoughts...

If I could give you more rep, I would.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Phil, my sack mist is more intelligent than you.

You swallow alot of your own mist don't you. That wasn't a question! You're so intelligent.......



Get over yourself man!


PhilFree

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We needed a part-time offensive playmaker more desperately than a full time run stuffer, ILB or pass rusher?

Ask Jerome Harrison what he thinks we need.

I don't think many people are complaining about the players themselves, as much as they are upset that the draft fell right to us in terms of value and need, and we overlooked it. If I had told everyone before the draft that we were going to pass on guys like Daryl Washington, Koa Misi, Everson Griffen, Terrence Cody, Sergio Kindle, Sean Lee and Taylor Mays in the 2nd round and take McCluster and Arenas, I would have been laughed off the board.

And for a HC to say that getting a KR was a "must" for a team that has the worst front 7/LB corp in football is criminal.

Kick returners don't win you championships. Neither do undersized part-time slot WR's.

One thing I can guarantee you is that you will NOT sniff a championship without having a solid front seven/run defense.

I agree with this, 100% We also need playmakers on this team. Do you think Wes Welker is a part-time player?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We needed a part-time offensive playmaker more desperately than a full time run stuffer, ILB or pass rusher?

Ask Jerome Harrison what he thinks we need.

I don't think many people are complaining about the players themselves, as much as they are upset that the draft fell right to us in terms of value and need, and we overlooked it.

For a HC to say that getting a KR was a "must" for a team that has the worst front 7/LB corp in football is criminal.

Kick returners don't win you championships. Neither do undersized part-time slot WR's.

One thing I can guarantee you is that you will NOT sniff a championship without having a solid front seven/run defense.

No I agree with you OTW. I was and still am pissed we ignored our Front 7 but with 2 picks in the 2nd round I thought like most people did we would have grabbed one of the playmakers at the WR position, like Tate or Benn. They chose McCluster which after watching this guy I think it was probably a good choice. And whoever we drafted as WR they would have been the #3 probably to begin with anyway.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I'm talking about are some of the members here screaming and whining and bitching that THEIR players weren't chosen.

FTR, I happen to like most of those guys quite a bit and communicate with them outside of the forum. I have great respect for them as human beings and our friendships.

I just happen to think they're wrong.

Passing up a franchise QB for a ****ing 5 tech is criminal. Drafting for a one year wonder was flat out dumb. Taking another 5 tech and a junior CB with issues was asinine. I've complained about all of those moves for the past year and I haven't changed my opinion.

But in taking the best safety prospect in a decade, two dynamic players, a ****ing stud guard and a TE with a gigantic upside, I have absolutely NO complaints. I like the 5th round selections as well.

I think this 40 time bullshit is overrated as well. Scouts look at two things: How fast a guy plays (projected 40 time) and his 40 time. If his projected time is faster than his actual time, that means he's an instinctual player on defense. There have been plenty of "fast" draft choices (Gholston, DJ, etc.) that can't play at the next level consistently (or at all) because they aren't instinctive football players.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs DID address needs in the 2010 draft but obviously not the "needs" that some felt were necessary this year.

Wow...

I bet you if we put this thread on ghost mode and no one knew who was posting what and we made Hamas guess who each poster was...he'd be guessing a lot of Dane's posts in this thread were mine and he'd be all over them telling him how stupid he is and how he doesn't know shit about shit!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you disagree with the selections but admit the need? Or just disagree with the selections?

Sure, KR and WR3 were a need. Needs that can and should be addressed in much later rounds, especially when 1st round talent falls to you at positions of much more desperate need.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have no problem with this draft. I'll take potential playmakers with great resumes any day of the week over a fatass NT and a Texas linebacker with possible medical problems.

You keep saying that, while ignoring the other 5-8 players I've mentioned for the past 48 hours.

The draft couldn't have fallen any better for us. The BPA was either a NT, ILB or OLB at every pick in the 2nd round. Instead, we came away with part-timers/special teamers.

Because kick returners win championships.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by CarlPeterson

Just say it You miss me. Don't you? I drafted Derrck Thomas, Will Shields, and built a team that was a contender for over a decade. And quit blaming me for Todd F***ing Blackledge.

This could be the best mult in the history of Chiefsplanet.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BCD

I agree with this, 100% We also need playmakers on this team. Do you think Wes Welker is a part-time player?

The comparisons to Welker have to stop. So ridiculous.

What kills me are the people that defend the McCluster pick by saying we're going to be in 3-wide the majority of the time. Then defend the Moeaki pick by saying we're going to be in a 2 TE set most of the time.

That's some fuzzy math.

You're telling me that Koa Misi, as one example, wouldn't have been a playmaker for this team? We have no pass rush.

Daryl Washington? Our ILB's are pathetic.

Those are just two examples, there are many more.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sure, KR and WR3 were a need. Needs that can and should be addressed in much later rounds, especially when 1st round talent falls to you at positions of much more desperate need.



You keep saying that, while ignoring the other 5-8 players I've mentioned for the past 48 hours.

The draft couldn't have fallen any better for us. The BPA was either a NT, ILB or OLB at every pick in the 2nd round. Instead, we came away with part-timers/special teamers.

Because kick returners win championships.

Well, I was just as surprised as you and few others that they didn't take the defensive help that was available when they drafted. But that doesn't make them "wrong" for going a different direction.

They hired a new DC, brought in Smith to help at the nose, along with Berry and Lewis at safety. Javon Belcher will be in his second year, Studebaker his third, and Mays his second as a full time starter.

I think they believe that all of these players will be improved not only by coaching and more talent but by experience as well. I also believe they'll pick up some younger players at the 53 cut down, as teams try to slip guys through waivers onto the practice squad (the Steelers for instance took THREE ILB's this year).

I'm neutral on these moves. The Chiefs desperately needed playmakers and they needed help up the middle on defense. Only time will tell if they made the right decision but I'm not going to go all mental proclaiming they ****ed up again this year.

And I like the fact that they acquired a guy that could score from basically any offensive skill position.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

implying that I would have bitched no matter what happened in the draft.

that's the point though...

Mecca and Hamas (with a hint of OTWP) do it every single year...

There is never going to be a draft...EVER AGAIN...where the Chiefs take their guys every round...

It's not going to happen...

They'll continue to read the same projections they read from the same people every year...and vastly overrate some guys just like everyone does...and then when the Chiefs are on the clock they'll take their McCluster's and Arenas' and draft the way the drafturbators used to be all over Carl about (drafting by BPA rather than drafting for need)...

It's so funny to me that these guys are so upset about us not taking a NT or an ILB when three years ago it was all about taking the BPA and the Chiefs would never be good because all Carl does is draft for need rather than taking the best players on the board...

I have no doubt in my mind the Chiefs took their #1 guy when they drafted McCluster AND Arenas...

All I know is...there were huge ??? around guys like Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, etc... last year...playmakers in college not translating to the pro game...

Well...

McCluster is going to be a flat out stud...and Arenas is going to step in from day 1 with Eric Berry and make our secondary a strength for the first time in a LONG time...and if he provides something like Devin Hester provided for the Bears for a few years in the return game...that pick is all sorts of WIN...

we added three players that gives our offense some serious potential (McCluster/Moeaki/Asomoah)...we have tremendous depth in the return game now...and we added a corner who, like Flowers, would have definitely been drafted higher had he been taller and ran a little better...Arenas' track record in college was very impressive.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The comparisons to Welker have to stop. So ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous if they are used in the same fashion? Both are small, fast, with good hands.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The comparisons to Welker have to stop. So ridiculous.

You're right! He can be so much more.



PhilFree

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There's never no chance, but he carries a huge risk with far less potential upside than someone like Graham.

Even more laughingly, he's smaller and slower than Brad Cottam as well. Of course, I fully expect that Cottam will be cut because he's not one of the Brahman, so a direct comparison will be difficult.

I'll ask you this much:

Was trading up to get Tony Moeaki worth Cam Thomas?

A week ago, did you know who Tony Moeaki was, and did you have him in the same galaxy of his ability to help this team as a Cam Thomas?

Gosselin had Moeaki has his #48 overall player in his top 100...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I was just as surprised as you and few others that they didn't take the defensive help that was available when they drafted. But that doesn't make them "wrong" for going a different direction.

They hired a new DC, brought in Smith to help at the nose, along with Berry and Lewis at safety. Javon Belcher will be in his second year, Studebaker his third, and Mays his second as a full time starter.

I think they believe that all of these players will be improved not only by coaching and more talent but by experience as well. I also believe they'll pick up some younger players at the 53 cut down, as teams try to slip guys through waivers onto the practice squad (the Steelers for instance took THREE ILB's this year).

I'm neutral on these moves. The Chiefs desperately needed playmakers and they needed help up the middle on defense. Only time will tell if they made the right decision but I'm not going to go all mental proclaiming they ****ed up again this year.

So basically what you are saying is that you're perfectly fine with them repeating what you've ripped them for in the past.

Last year, they ignored our biggest needs in an offensive heavy draft. They thought the OL would be just fine.

That worked out great.

This year, they ignored our biggest needs in a defensive heavy draft, even though the league seemed hell-bent on making sure we got a superstar OLB/ILB/NT in the 2nd round. They think the front seven will be just fine.

Forgive me for thinking they know WTF they are doing.

Again, had there not been a laundry list of impact players at positions of desperate need available, I could live with a couple of luxury picks.

But there were no fewer than 8-10 guys that were borderline R1 talent that would have made a full-time impact on our biggest deficiencies.

And we passed, because Pioli thinks he's smarter than the rest of the league.

He's a trend setter - KR's win championships.

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah he could be Devin Hester...or he could be Allen ****ing Rossum.

He could be Wes Welker...or he could be Roscoe Parrish.

He could be Dallas Clark...or he could be Benjamin Watson.

Stop projecting elite players onto our draftpicks....