Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 32

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

Mecca · 04-25-2010, 05:42 PM

Vazquez was a 4th and won the Chargers RG job, how is that being forced into starting?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We aren't talking about who Pioli would have picked, we are talking about guys that were in last years draft that were passed that would have helped.

I couldn't remember what rounds any of these guys were taken, I simply named guys that would have helped this O-Line, regardless of what Pioli might have done.

Were they special?
No.

Were they pretty good?
Yes.

And who the hell was Pioli going to pick up on waivers?

Leaves falling from the ****ing tree.

No, I understand what you're saying. But Mecca said that Pioli did the same think as last year, ignoring the "strength" of the draft, this year drafting offense instead of defense. Last year, he drafted defense instead of offense (in this case, Mecca specifically stated offensive line).

What I'm saying is that last year's class that was touted as being so great, really wasn't "great" from rounds 3-7. Urbick's a failure in Pittsburgh. Very few of the later picks are anything other than just "guys", nothing the Chiefs (or us as fans) should regret they passed on.

milkman · 04-25-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

So the Bills who finished behind KC in EVERY offensive category have a bunch of potentially good players on their OL that should only get better after a year under their belt.

This belief is based on what?

Based on the fact that their all talented guys.

4 rookies on an offensive line in a game where anyone will tell you that good line play requires chemistry, and chemistry takes time to develop.

But then you knew that, I'm sure.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I sat next to OTWP for 4 hours last year at the Cowboys game and he is as much a Chiefs fan as anyone...when Bowe caught that TD we had a big gay group hug with TinyE.

well then he should watch that video Billay just posted and realize...

McCluster >> Tate

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

As I pointed out already you are not counting special teams

Digler go back and read the other posts, we were talking only about downs 1-3 which last time I checked did not include special teams.

(edit if you want to include special teams and 4th downs the number will go MUCH much lower than 55% though, let alone 67%))

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Vazquez was a 4th and won the Chargers RG job, how is that being forced into starting?

the Chargers were one of the worst run blocking teams in the NFL...

which is one reason LDT is a HUGE sleeper for the Jets this year...

1200 yards and 15 TDs

People who take Shonn Greene in the 1st round are going to be disappointed...

chiefzilla1501 · 04-25-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I agree with everything you said for the most part. (Except in a 2 TE set you usually only have 1WR so thats an extra man on the field) I agree he will be useful as a situational player, all of those things you mentioned are what I consider to be situational. I am not saying he wont be good for those roles, what I am saying is he won't be an every down (67% of downs 1-3) type of player....I think we shouldve drafted a non-situational player with 2a.

All of that being said, I would love to be wrong...

A lot of people would have been satisfied with taking a slot receiver like Tate. I would have. And McCluster can give you a LOT more reps than Tate. And the difference between the two is that McCluster gives the defense some pause as to whether a play could be a run or a pass. A lot of teams have been running 4-WR sets. There's a distinct difference between running that play out of an empty backfield with no RBs, and having a 3-WR set with a RB who motions into a 4th WR slot. Same goes with any running down.

So again, I think you're ruling out multiple instances where he lines up as a RB then motions into the slot. And 2-3 years down the road when he's playing a lot of snaps as the primary RB, when Charles needs a rest.

He could potentially get about the amount of reps as a slot receiver + #2 back. Not 67%. But a pretty hefty workload.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Vazquez was a 4th and won the Chargers RG job, how is that being forced into starting?

Actually, Vasquez was a third and he won the job because Forney was injured.

And I hardly think he was "special", considering the Chargers inability to run the ball successfully last year.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 05:46 PM

Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster on the field at the same time is a scary ****ing thought for any defensive coordinator...

McCluster is going to make Cassel look so much better...

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Based on the fact that their all talented guys.

4 rookies on an offensive line in a game where anyone will tell you that good line play requires chemistry, and chemistry takes time to develop.

But then you knew that, I'm sure.

I think Wood will develop into a solid player and it's possible that Meredith does as well. I can't believe that the Bills will go into this season without making a trade for a left tackle because it's a serious need for them.

That being said, I'm not upset that the Chiefs didn't take one of those guys, especially considering the moves they've made this offseason.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I like Benn a lot...I think Benn fell because of Juice Williams.

Tate? Meh. I do like Tate...but I think he has a much better chance of being a bust than McCluster...

I can't believe everyone isn't simply STOKED that we added a guy with McCluster's skill set and we're going to use him in the slot...

That guy is amazing in space...and that's what the Chiefs are going to try and do...get him the ball and let him do his thing...

It'll make Cassel's job a hell of a lot easier, too.

McCluster can MOST DEFINITELY make Cassel a better player...

Does Tate possess that ability? I don't think so...

Hootie. Listen.

I'd be thrilled with it if we hadn't passed on guys that would solve our pass rushing and/or ILB issue for the next decade.

It will make most fans happy, because they loved Grandpa Dick's Circus Offense, and were content scoring 30 PPG and losing.

I want to see some balance, and as I showed earlier, though no one wants to admit it, the offense was much farther along going into Thrusday night than the defense was.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-25-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

that's because you, Mecca and hamas aren't Chiefs fans...you're just pessimistic assholes who like to think they know more than they really do...

it's funny that everyone loves what the Chiefs did except for the pessimistic little band of know-it-alls on chiefsplanet.com who apparently don't, well, know anything.

Do you really look at me that way? Because I don't love what we did. If you do, that's fine, but it would surprise me.

I don't hate what we did the way I did on Friday and Saturday, and I'm not driving post after post about it because it's pointless IMO.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

McCluster is going to make Cassel look so much better...

I sure as hell hope so.

Cassel needs all the help he can get.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I guess this is kind of off topic, but if your opinions won't change, why do you bother coming here? To give us all your opinion and try to change everyone else's opinion without considering the opinions of others?

That is pretty strange if you ask me....something to keep in mind when reading your posts for sure.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. Just defending my own.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Digler go back and read the other posts, we were talking only about downs 1-3 which last time I checked did not include special teams.

(edit if you want to include special teams and 4th downs the number will go MUCH much lower than 55% though, let alone 67%))

ok fair enough

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster on the field at the same time is a scary ****ing thought for any defensive coordinator... McCluster is going to make Cassel look so much better...
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