Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 40

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 09:08 PM

Gosselin also had Moeaki at #48...but that goes ignored?

How did Walter Football's 2nd round look? How close were they?

Exactly.

2nd round mocks are total, complete crapshoots and no one really has any idea where a player is going to fall.

Like I said...

After the first 10-15 picks...throw the mocks out the window because they aren't even going to be close anymore.

Nailing a 1st round NFL draft pick for pick is probably 10 times harder than sweeping a March Madness bracket...maybe harder...

**The Bad Guy** · 04-25-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Like everyone else my age or older, I've been waiting for decades to see this franchise build a winner.

When Carl ****ed up, I called him on it.

When Carl did well, I praised him for it.

I'm doing the same with Pioli - except I will admit - I expect more from a guy that people continue to pimp as the greatest executive that ever lived.

He wasn't my first choice, but I want him - expect him - to make the right moves. And I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and ignore the evidence that's right in front of me just so I can come here and act like a WPI homer.

If I had an anti-Pioli agenda, would I have praised the Berry and Asomoah picks?

People just read what they want to read.

You have a problem because he was voted as the executive of the year, which really doesn't mean a whole lot of shit in his position with the Chiefs.

It really seems to me that you are the only one (constantly) bringing that up.

Also, you keep harping on stopping the run. Just because Cody is a massive body does not mean he's going to be an effective run stopper in this league. If that was the case, just sign Turdell Sands again.

Cody is as much of a part-time player as Arenas and McCluster if not more. He's a non-existent presence in a pass game. He was the slowest person ever timed at the combine if I'm correct. There are a ton of red flags when it comes to him. Cam Thomas obviously has a lot of issues for him to fall that far as well.

Pioli made some ****ing terrible moves that we can all agree that weren't the right ones last year, but there's no way I can sit here and say that the moves I want mapped out, or you do, are the right ones for this franchise until I see how the ones presented get an opportunity to play in a real game.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If all I do is yell louder, then you should win easily.

I don't know anything about football, remember?

****ing coward.

Oh...

When have I ever confused anyone on this website of "liking" me more than you.

I don't give a shit if people like you more than me...congratulations...that's their prerogative...

Just because you and Hamas are the "in" clique on ChiefsPlanet...doesn't mean I want to go thread to thread fluffing you between jerk off sessions like you're pal DCS...

I'll stay independent, thank you. My loyalty is to myself and myself only!

Reerun_KC · 04-25-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You're the guy that could never shut the hell up about your hate for Herman ****ing Edwards, hypocrite.

. Oh noes reerun said something about herm over 2 years ago. He must fail at caring and botching about the chiefs.

Oh this is so funny!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 09:12 PM

I love how people are just focusing on the mocks, and not on the Top 100 lists, which in Gosselin's case, is compiled by speaking to each team and getting their thoughts on these players.

If Rick Gosselin has Javier Arenas as the 64th best player, it's because his research - with the teams themselves as the primary source - believe him to be the 64th best player.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 09:13 PM

so are you going to keep ignoring the fact Moeaki was the 48th player?

**The Bad Guy** · 04-25-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I love how people are just focusing on the mocks, and not on the Top 100 lists, which in Gosselin's case, is compiled by speaking to each team and getting their thoughts on these players.

If Rick Gosselin has Javier Arenas as the 64th best player, it's because his research - with the teams themselves as the primary source - believe him to be the 64th best player.

So what you're telling me is that Gosselin can't possibly watch college football tape consistently enough to form his top 100? His final draft is what he has heard from evaluators about what will happen. His first mock is based on his rankings for players.

So if we are calling Arenas the 64th best player in the draft, are we now calling Moeaki the 48th? Does that mean he was a steal in the 3rd?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Oh...

When have I ever confused anyone on this website of "liking" me more than you.

I don't give a shit if people like you more than me...congratulations...that's their prerogative...

Just because you and Hamas are the "in" clique on ChiefsPlanet...doesn't mean I want to go thread to thread fluffing you between jerk off sessions like you're pal DCS...

I'll stay independent, thank you. My loyalty is to myself and myself only!

I didn't say anything about "like."

This isn't a popularity contest.

You said I didn't know anything about football.

So I challenged you to post a poll asking who's football takes are more respected, mine, or yours.

I'm guessing that if I don't know anything about football, you'll win in a landslide.

Too bad you're a pussy that hides behind a keyboard, who's unwilling to back up what he says.

Coward.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've seen this take posted several times, yet I've found that no one is able or willing to counter it.

Go read pages 43-45 of the draft thread. It's comedy ****ing gold.

Everybody hated the pick until Mike Mayock said what a great pick it was.

Then people flip-flopped just like they did with the Cassel acquisition.

I responded when Hamas asked it. I can only speak for myself but 1. I didn't really know who he was and 2. it threw my completely off because he was listed as a RB.

After I went and educated myself in the last couple of days I am pretty happy with the pick. The kid is going to be a play maker and I think you are going to be pretty pleased about him.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

so are you going to keep ignoring the fact Moeaki was the 48th player?

We weren't talking about Moeaki, now were we?

With that said, Moeaki was a value pick. My issue with him is that he can't have an impact if he's injured, and that we traded up to get him when there was no way in hell the 7 teams in front of us were going to take him. And that we've spent 4 picks on 2 TE's in the past two drafts.

Moeaki fell for the same reasons Kindle fell - injury concerns.

Funny how no one wanted Kindle because of injury concerns, but Moeaki's a ****ing steal.

Reading is fundamental, ****hole.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I didn't say anything about "like."

This isn't a popularity contest.

You said I didn't know anything about football.

So I challenged you to post a poll asking who's football takes are more respected, mine, or yours.

So then you're admitting you're an idiot then, right?

You know as well as I do that a poll on this website is nothing more than a popularity contest.

Now...

If you want to go over our posting history...football post by football post...every single one of them...I think you'd realize I don't get any credit for usually having a pretty good idea about the quality of a player or the quality of a team.

Just last year...I called Chris Johnson as the best RB in the NFL before the season even started...and told everyone they were nuts to think Carson Palmer was a franchise caliber QB...

Those are just two things...two things everyone knows now but before the season Mr. Knowledge himself Mecca couldn't get over and referenced over and over and over again..

he won't even talk about Carson Palmer anymore...he knows what I've said about him all along...and we all know how good Mecca is at trying to deflect things when he's wrong.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I love how people are just focusing on the mocks, and not on the Top 100 lists, which in Gosselin's case, is compiled by speaking to each team and getting their thoughts on these players.

If Rick Gosselin has Javier Arenas as the 64th best player, it's because his research - with the teams themselves as the primary source - believe him to be the 64th best player.

There are several people in this thread that said Gosselin draft grade was complete shit. Do you agree or disagree with his grades?

**The Bad Guy** · 04-25-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We weren't talking about Moeaki, now were we?

With that said, Moeaki was a value pick. My issue with him is that he can't have an impact if he's injured, and that we traded up to get him when there was no way in hell the 7 teams in front of us were going to take him. And that we've spent 4 picks on 2 TE's in the past two drafts.

Moeaki fell for the same reasons Kindle fell - injury concerns.

Funny how no one wanted Kindle because of injury concerns, but Moeaki's a ****ing steal.

Reading is fundamental, ****hole.

To be fair here, Kindle's injury concerns poped up the weekend of the draft. He needs some sort of microfracture surgery. People knew about Moeaki's issues long before. I don't think Moeaki necessarily fell. I think the late 3rd round is where he was slotted to go all along.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

So then you're admitting you're an idiot then, right?

You know as well as I do that a poll on this website is nothing more than a popularity contest.

Now...

If you want to go over our posting history...football post by football post...every single one of them...I think you'd realize I don't get any credit for usually having a pretty good idea about the quality of a player or the quality of a team.

Just last year...I called Chris Johnson as the best RB in the NFL before the season even started...and told everyone they were nuts to think Carson Palmer was a franchise caliber QB...

Those are just two things...two things everyone knows now but before the season Mr. Knowledge himself Mecca couldn't get over and referenced over and over and over again..

he won't even talk about Carson Palmer anymore...he knows what I've said about him all along...and we all know how good Mecca is at trying to deflect things when he's wrong.

A lot of words just to make excuses.

****ing coward.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We weren't talking about Moeaki, now were we?

With that said, Moeaki was a value pick. My issue with him is that he can't have an impact if he's injured, and that we traded up to get him when there was no way in hell the 7 teams in front of us were going to take him. And that we've spent 4 picks on 2 TE's in the past two drafts.

Moeaki fell for the same reasons Kindle fell - injury concerns.

Funny how no one wanted Kindle because of injury concerns, but Moeaki's a ****ing steal.

Reading is fundamental, ****hole.

then Asomoah was a value pick, too...

so according to Gosselin we drafted 4 2nd round picks...but we only had 2 2nd round picks! Amazing how that works out.

It's funny that you cite Gosselin's top 100 as reasons why McCluster and Arenas were terrible picks...but then the other two guys we took later were amazing value picks according to that very list...

and that list you hold as such gospel...we had 7 picks in this draft and 5 of them were in Gosselin's top 64...including the #3 overall...

Oh man...

We sure lost that draft!

Damn that Pioli!

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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $104644	Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+ The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Gosselin also had Moeaki at #48...but that goes ignored? How did Walter Football's 2nd round look? How close were they? Exactly. 2nd round mocks are total, complete crapshoots and no one really has any idea where a player is going to fall. Like I said... After the first 10-15 picks...throw the mocks out the window because they aren't even going to be close anymore. Nailing a 1st round NFL draft pick for pick is probably 10 times harder than sweeping a March Madness bracket...maybe harder...
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	I love how people are just focusing on the mocks, and not on the Top 100 lists, which in Gosselin's case, is compiled by speaking to each team and getting their thoughts on these players. If Rick Gosselin has Javier Arenas as the 64th best player, it's because his research - with the teams themselves as the primary source - believe him to be the 64th best player.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	so are you going to keep ignoring the fact Moeaki was the 48th player?
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