Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 45

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Looking at Hamas' 2009 CP mock draft picks, I have to say that he severely overestimates his draft knowledge.
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I just think it's funny that you and your buddies get so worked up over this stuff when you are just cherrypicking this shit in the first place...and clearly the people you are cherrypicking it from don't know jackshit...just like you, just like me...

Walter Football...

whoever runs that site is more pathetic than mecca...and mecca is like 30, has never had a job, and lives at home

Keep moving those goalposts, coward.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll take that response as you saying that Detroit does have more talent than us, mainly because they don't value leadership over talent.

At this point, they really are only missing a lockdown corner and a true LTOTF. Though it is entirely possible that Fox could become that guy.

My guess is that they'll win 5-6 games this year in a brutal division, and we'll win the same amount in a terrible division and playing a weak schedule.

Dude, please.

You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position.

The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved.

They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I explained here, just in case you missed it:

Yeah, that's what you posted this weekend.

Did you, or did you not expect a playoff run by Year Three when Pioli was hired?

I'll gladly apologize if I'm wrong, but I recall you sharing a similar opinion to Me, Deez, Flopnuts, etc.

philfree · 04-25-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Keep moving those goalposts, coward.

NO...You are a pathetic person if this is where you're taking this.....I've read negative BS about this all day....It's invalid....

PhilFree

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 10:09 PM

I've posted this list from the 2009 draft multiple times, and Hootie never responds to it:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah..

Sanchez--Obviously a terrible pick
Beanie Wells--Another awful pick
Cody Brown--Hurt his wrist in PS, spent the year on IR
Coye Francies--Had a Donald Washington-esque year for the Browns.
Jasper Brinkley--Starting for the Vikings
David Bruton--Played the whole year for the Broncos
Cornelius Lewis--That's a bust of a pick, no doubt
Gerald Cadogan--Not a good pick
Mike Goodson--Drafted by Carolina. Spent the year behind Stewart and Williams.
Rhett Bomar--Giants 3rd/4th string QB as a rookie. Developmental player, that's notbad.
DeAngelo-Smith. Backup safety for the Lions
Terrance Knighton--45 tackles and 1.5 sacks as a rookie for the Jags. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round, got him in the 6th.
Josh Mauga--7th round LB. Bounced back and forth on the Jets' PS
Roy Miller--yth round DT who had 27 tackles and 2 sacks as a rookie. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round.
Kenny McKinley--WR drafted in the 5th by the Broncos I got in the 7th. Saw some KR and ST action as a n00b.
Brandon Tate--6th round pick for me, 3rd in reality. It's a pick you take and put him on IR b/c of his knee injury his Sr. Year. It'll pay off down the road.
Thomas Morestead--Punter for the Saints. They took him in the 5th, I got him in the 6th for the Pats.
Cary Harris--last pick for the Pats. He was drafted by the Bills in the 6th round. Had two picks as a rookie.
Don Carey-7th round pick who actually went in the 6th. Plays for the Jags. Developmental player who spent the year on IR.
Camerron Morrah-6th round pick by me who went in the 7th. Played the whole year for the Seahawks, but didn't see much time behind John Carlson.
Bradley Fletcher--6th round player I picked who actually went in the third. Finished with 3 starts and 23 tackles as a rookie
Robert Brewster--7th rounder that I got for the next to last pick in the draft. He was drafted in the 3rd round by Dallas, and projects to be their RTOTF.
Brandon Swain--DII player I took as MR. Irrelevant. Never amounted to anything. So sue me.

So please, tell me how terrible that draft is.

2008:

Gholston--Looking like a monumental bust
Nicks--One of the best young guards in football
Cliff Avril--3rd Round pick, 10.5 sacks and 7 FF in two years
Thomas DeCoud--Starter for the Falcons. 68 Tackles, 3 picks, 2 sacks, 2 FF last year
Matt Forte--Should have been the OROY. 4th round pick
Jonathan Goff-- Took over as starting MLB for the Giants last year
Tyvon Branch--2 year starter for the Raiders. 124 tackles last year as a safety

Those were my picks in the first four Rounds of the 2008 draft. Every one hit but Gholston.

So please, tell me I don't know anything about projecting players.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 10:12 PM

Hamas embarrasses himself every year in that mock draft...

every year...

I think it's so funny that those guys watch one or two college football games per week, dodge this point every time, and then claim they know something based off of what they've seen...and won't admit they simply cherrypick the information from scouting services found on the internet and then decide what they want to roll with, and what they don't want to roll with based off of whether they like the guy with the information or not.

I'd be willing to bet Hamas didn't watch Bruce Campbell play more than two times...and that's being generous...

as he was bashing Charlie Casserly for saying Campbell looked bad on tape...acting like Casserly (the ballsy GM who took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and was with Washington when they raped New Orleans in that Ricky Williams deal) doesn't know anything...

the dude took a late round OT before Anthony freaking Davis...

he passed on Bradford for a guy that ended up going 48th overall...at #1...

he took Vernon Gholston #1 overall because of his combine numbers...

that dude just needs to shut the **** up and start doing damage control...

Actually I'll go on...

He told me Peyton Manning's 1st half INT in the 2006 AFC Championship game (a game the Colts ended up winning) was more devastating to his team that game then Tom Brady's season ending INT in that same game, in Colts territory, where a TD sends the Pats to the Super Bowl. This is something he said...

He also said Brett Favre COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the best player on the Vikings because Peyton Manning is a better QB than Brett Favre and Brett Favre plays on the same team as Kevin Williams.

I know, right?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, that's what you posted this weekend.

Did you, or did you not expect a playoff run by Year Three when Pioli was hired?

I'll gladly apologize if I'm wrong, but I recall you sharing a similar opinion to Me, Deez, Flopnuts, etc.

In year one, yes, absolutely. I incorrectly assumed that Scott Pioli would come in and pick up right where Carl & Kuharich left off.

I was wrong and have voiced my concerns ad nauseam on this forum for the better part of 14 months.

So in short, I do not believe that by year three, they'll be a consistent playoff team. It would be awesome IF it happens but at this point in time, I think it's going to be difficult.

I would love, however, to be wrong.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 10:13 PM

My boy Phillip Dillard will be replacing Goff at ILB.

Hammock Parties · 04-25-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I've posted this list from the 2009 draft multiple times, and Hootie never responds to it:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah..

Sanchez--Obviously a terrible pick
Beanie Wells--Another awful pick
Cody Brown--Hurt his wrist in PS, spent the year on IR
Coye Francies--Had a Donald Washington-esque year for the Browns.
Jasper Brinkley--Starting for the Vikings
David Bruton--Played the whole year for the Broncos
Cornelius Lewis--That's a bust of a pick, no doubt
Gerald Cadogan--Not a good pick
Mike Goodson--Drafted by Carolina. Spent the year behind Stewart and Williams.
Rhett Bomar--Giants 3rd/4th string QB as a rookie. Developmental player, that's notbad.
DeAngelo-Smith. Backup safety for the Lions
Terrance Knighton--45 tackles and 1.5 sacks as a rookie for the Jags. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round, got him in the 6th.
Josh Mauga--7th round LB. Bounced back and forth on the Jets' PS
Roy Miller--yth round DT who had 27 tackles and 2 sacks as a rookie. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round.
Kenny McKinley--WR drafted in the 5th by the Broncos I got in the 7th. Saw some KR and ST action as a n00b.
Brandon Tate--6th round pick for me, 3rd in reality. It's a pick you take and put him on IR b/c of his knee injury his Sr. Year. It'll pay off down the road.
Thomas Morestead--Punter for the Saints. They took him in the 5th, I got him in the 6th for the Pats.
Cary Harris--last pick for the Pats. He was drafted by the Bills in the 6th round. Had two picks as a rookie.
Don Carey-7th round pick who actually went in the 6th. Plays for the Jags. Developmental player who spent the year on IR.
Camerron Morrah-6th round pick by me who went in the 7th. Played the whole year for the Seahawks, but didn't see much time behind John Carlson.
Bradley Fletcher--6th round player I picked who actually went in the third. Finished with 3 starts and 23 tackles as a rookie
Robert Brewster--7th rounder that I got for the next to last pick in the draft. He was drafted in the 3rd round by Dallas, and projects to be their RTOTF.
Brandon Swain--DII player I took as MR. Irrelevant. Never amounted to anything. So sue me.

So please, tell me how terrible that draft is.

2008:

Gholston--Looking like a monumental bust
Nicks--One of the best young guards in football
Cliff Avril--3rd Round pick, 10.5 sacks and 7 FF in two years
Thomas DeCoud--Starter for the Falcons. 68 Tackles, 3 picks, 2 sacks, 2 FF last year
Matt Forte--Should have been the OROY. 4th round pick
Jonathan Goff-- Took over as starting MLB for the Giants last year
Tyvon Branch--2 year starter for the Raiders. 124 tackles last year as a safety

Those were my picks in the first four Rounds of the 2008 draft. Every one hit but Gholston.

So please, tell me I don't know anything about projecting players.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, please.

You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position.

The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved.

They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved.

Why is it silly to compare, Dane?

Some of us were championing Schwartz as the new HC of the Chiefs.

He was hired at the same time as Pioli/Haley.

Why is it silly to compare two teams that started over, both with next to nothing on their roster?

I know that if I were trying to make the point that KC has done a better job over the past 15 months, I wouldn't want to compare the rosters either.

This isn't a knock on you personally. You're my boy. But the overall tone of this place is EXACTLY like last year.

Everyone hates the picks initially, (sans Berry and Asomoah) then begin to rationalize it because some pundits like it - instead of sticking to their opinion.

It happened after the Cassel trade, it happened after last year's draft, and it happened this weekend.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, we shout down and insult people that don't ****ing read, and then inaccurately post bullshit about what they "think" we are saying.

I was just accused of seing no value in the Asomoah pick, when I've done nothing but praise the pick all ****ing weekend.

Forgive me if I get pissed off when people sling bullshit - that they KNOW goes against what is posted here in black and white - just to troll.

no one accused you of that

you were blasting the McCluster and Arenas picks citing Gosselin's top 100...and conveniently ignoring the fact Moeaki was #48 and Asomoah was like #54...

You cited a guy who gave us an A+ to prove your point on why our draft sucked.

In other words...

your and idiot

RedThat · 04-25-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, please.

You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position.

The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved.

They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved.

Yup. I agree.

I even think last year as bad as this team was last year, they could've won 6 or 7 games. Only reason I say that, they blew 2 or 3 they should of won. And, if you think about it, lets say Charles started the whole season alone from game 1, I think just having him alone would of helped us win a couple of more games.

LJ sucked so bad, and he was clearly a big reason why this team and offense was atrocious from the start. As soon as the Chiefs released him and Charles started, they were a bit of a different team.

*I think they could win 7 this year. You're right not improved enough to challenge for a playoff spot. I think they will though once they improve the defense.

-King- · 04-25-2010, 10:14 PM

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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-25-2010, 10:16 PM

One of these days I'm going to have to look through the mocks to see how I've done picking players. I've honestly never bothered.

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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $94644	Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+ The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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04-25-2010, 10:09 PM	#666
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	I've posted this list from the 2009 draft multiple times, and Hootie never responds to it: Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins Yeah.. Sanchez--Obviously a terrible pick Beanie Wells--Another awful pick Cody Brown--Hurt his wrist in PS, spent the year on IR Coye Francies--Had a Donald Washington-esque year for the Browns. Jasper Brinkley--Starting for the Vikings David Bruton--Played the whole year for the Broncos Cornelius Lewis--That's a bust of a pick, no doubt Gerald Cadogan--Not a good pick Mike Goodson--Drafted by Carolina. Spent the year behind Stewart and Williams. Rhett Bomar--Giants 3rd/4th string QB as a rookie. Developmental player, that's notbad. DeAngelo-Smith. Backup safety for the Lions Terrance Knighton--45 tackles and 1.5 sacks as a rookie for the Jags. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round, got him in the 6th. Josh Mauga--7th round LB. Bounced back and forth on the Jets' PS Roy Miller--yth round DT who had 27 tackles and 2 sacks as a rookie. Was actually drafted in the 3rd round. Kenny McKinley--WR drafted in the 5th by the Broncos I got in the 7th. Saw some KR and ST action as a n00b. Brandon Tate--6th round pick for me, 3rd in reality. It's a pick you take and put him on IR b/c of his knee injury his Sr. Year. It'll pay off down the road. Thomas Morestead--Punter for the Saints. They took him in the 5th, I got him in the 6th for the Pats. Cary Harris--last pick for the Pats. He was drafted by the Bills in the 6th round. Had two picks as a rookie. Don Carey-7th round pick who actually went in the 6th. Plays for the Jags. Developmental player who spent the year on IR. Camerron Morrah-6th round pick by me who went in the 7th. Played the whole year for the Seahawks, but didn't see much time behind John Carlson. Bradley Fletcher--6th round player I picked who actually went in the third. Finished with 3 starts and 23 tackles as a rookie Robert Brewster--7th rounder that I got for the next to last pick in the draft. He was drafted in the 3rd round by Dallas, and projects to be their RTOTF. Brandon Swain--DII player I took as MR. Irrelevant. Never amounted to anything. So sue me. So please, tell me how terrible that draft is. 2008: Gholston--Looking like a monumental bust Nicks--One of the best young guards in football Cliff Avril--3rd Round pick, 10.5 sacks and 7 FF in two years Thomas DeCoud--Starter for the Falcons. 68 Tackles, 3 picks, 2 sacks, 2 FF last year Matt Forte--Should have been the OROY. 4th round pick Jonathan Goff-- Took over as starting MLB for the Giants last year Tyvon Branch--2 year starter for the Raiders. 124 tackles last year as a safety Those were my picks in the first four Rounds of the 2008 draft. Every one hit but Gholston. So please, tell me I don't know anything about projecting players. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-25-2010, 10:12 PM	#667
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Hamas embarrasses himself every year in that mock draft... every year... I think it's so funny that those guys watch one or two college football games per week, dodge this point every time, and then claim they know something based off of what they've seen...and won't admit they simply cherrypick the information from scouting services found on the internet and then decide what they want to roll with, and what they don't want to roll with based off of whether they like the guy with the information or not. I'd be willing to bet Hamas didn't watch Bruce Campbell play more than two times...and that's being generous... as he was bashing Charlie Casserly for saying Campbell looked bad on tape...acting like Casserly (the ballsy GM who took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and was with Washington when they raped New Orleans in that Ricky Williams deal) doesn't know anything... the dude took a late round OT before Anthony freaking Davis... he passed on Bradford for a guy that ended up going 48th overall...at #1... he took Vernon Gholston #1 overall because of his combine numbers... that dude just needs to shut the **** up and start doing damage control... Actually I'll go on... He told me Peyton Manning's 1st half INT in the 2006 AFC Championship game (a game the Colts ended up winning) was more devastating to his team that game then Tom Brady's season ending INT in that same game, in Colts territory, where a TD sends the Pats to the Super Bowl. This is something he said... He also said Brett Favre COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the best player on the Vikings because Peyton Manning is a better QB than Brett Favre and Brett Favre plays on the same team as Kevin Williams. I know, right?
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Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	One of these days I'm going to have to look through the mocks to see how I've done picking players. I've honestly never bothered.
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