Weiss told Fox to take Clausen

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by penchief

Again, more hearsay and speculation. What do you expect Fox to say? He's going to justify his picks just like every other team will do. And what did you expect Weis to say? Jimmy sucks? What Weis may or may not have told Fox about Clausen has no bearing on the dynamic between Weis and Pioli.

I wish people would quit looking for reasons to cast aspersions about stuff they have little or no true knowledge about. There is a reason Clausen lasted until the 48th pick in the draft. And it isn't because the chiefs didn't pick him at five. He may prove to be a good starter in this league but he got drafted where he did because that was his perceived value at the time of the draft.

Look at this way. If it was so obvious that Clausen was a franchise quarterback why did Fox even have to confer with Weis before taking him? And what exactly did Weis mean when he said "he was the best I ever had?" Was he better than Brady? If he said that to Fox he was clearly blowing smoke up his ass. If he meant that he was better than Quinn, well, that's not saying much.

This just sounds like more bullshit to me.

Except for the fact that Chris Mortensen reported the fact that Weis personally signed off on Clausen to the Panters' OC immediately after they drafted him on ESPN on Friday.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Except for the fact that Chris Mortensen reported the fact that Weis personally signed off on Clausen to the Panters' OC immediately after they drafted him on ESPN on Friday.

is that the same guy who cited Jack Harry and Nick Athan when Shanahan's deal was done?

Just curious...

Checking my facts.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

is that the same guy who cited Jack Harry and Nick "Assclown" Athan when Shanahan's deal was done?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You can cite Harry and Athan and their info can be wrong.

Never MIND the fact that Nick never had ANY contact with Chris Mortensen.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Except for the fact that Chris Mortensen reported the fact that Weis personally signed off on Clausen to the Panters' OC immediately after they drafted him on ESPN on Friday.

So that proves exactly what? That Weis was not going say something negative about Clausen to the panthers after they drafted him? What would the point have been?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by penchief

So that proves exactly what? That Weis was not going say something negative about Clausen to the panthers after they drafted him? What would the point have been?

After?

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis

[OnTheWarpath15]

I guess Carolina doesn't expect him to become a franchise QB, seeing as how they didn't trade up and let the board come to them.

Awesome logic.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I guess Carolina doesn't expect him to become a franchise QB, seeing as how they didn't trade up and let the board come to them.

Awesome logic.

I guess you just ignored the whole post where I made several points on why people OBVIOUSLY don't think he's going to be a difference maker on the pro level...

You don't let a potential franchise QB slip to pick #48...

at pick #48...he becomes a ZERO risk draft pick for the Panthers...if he works out...AMAZING pick...if he doesn't? Oh well...doesn't hurt long term, doesn't hurt short team...doesn't hurt at all...

That doesn't paint any sort of a picture to you?

As soon as the 2nd round hit...and he slipped past the halfway point...that should have painted a pretty clear picture for all Clausen fans...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I guess you just ignored the whole post where I made several points on why people OBVIOUSLY don't think he's going to be a difference maker on the pro level...

You don't let a potential franchise QB slip to pick #48...

at pick #48...he becomes a ZERO risk draft pick for the Panthers...if he works out...AMAZING pick...if he doesn't? Oh well...doesn't hurt long term, doesn't hurt short team...doesn't hurt at all...

That doesn't paint any sort of a picture to you?

As soon as the 2nd round hit...and he slipped past the halfway point...that should have painted a pretty clear picture for all Clausen fans...

You keep acting as if 31 teams passed on him.

How many teams needed a QB? Less than 6?

Hell, we thought WE needed a QB. But Pioli passed, even though Weis said Clausen was the best he ever had.

You've got it stuck in your head that he fell because of a lack of talent.

Why did Aaron Rodgers fall?

It wasn't for a lack of talent. Not every team either:

a) Needs a QB

b) Is willing to part with a high draft pick when they have greater needs.

If Scott Pioli can claim that we have no need, and he believes in Cassel, why is it an indictment on Clausen that teams like Buffalo and Cleveland did the same?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

After?

Refer to the post I responded to with that post. Ask Hamas where he got his information.

If you want a response to the pre-draft claim that was posted see the post that Hamas responded to when he implied that Weis signed off on the Clausen pick right after they drafted him.

I've covered both bases. Either way I think it's a just a bunch of bullshit being dredged up by the Jimmy Clausen nuthuggers in order to beat a dead horse.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by penchief

Refer to the post I responded to with that post. Ask Hamas where he got his information.

If you want a response to the pre-draft claim that was posted see the post that Hamas responded to when he implied that Weis signed off on the Clausen pick right after they drafted him.

I've covered both bases. Either way I think it's a just a bunch of bullshit being dredged up by the Jimmy Clausen nuthuggers in order to beat a dead horse.

So Mortenson and King are both liars?

Mortenson REPORTED that Weis signed off PRE DRAFT on Clausen AFTER the selection.

You think Mort is going to risk getting shut out by teams by reporting information given to him in confidence before the draft?

Of course it's all bullshit, that's why it's being reported by two seperate reporters at two different media outlets.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So Mortenson and King are both liars?

Mortenson REPORTED that Weis signed off PRE DRAFT on Clausen AFTER the selection.

You think Mort is going to risk getting shut out by teams by reporting information given to him in confidence before the draft?

Of course it's all bullshit, that's why it's being reported by two seperate reporters at two different media outlets.

You're taking this stuff way too personal. The way Hamas worded his post read like Weis gave his approval after they drafted him. I can see how it can be interpeted either way (that Mortensen reported it right afterward). I took it the other way.

That said, I'm not saying that it's bullshit that Mortenson reported it or even questioning that it happened. What I'm saying is bullshit is that the Clausen ball washers are trying to make more out of it than what it is. Especially by trying to say that it is evidence that Pioli doesn't listen to Weis. You have absolutely no proof of that.

Just because he told that to Fox doesn't mean he advocated that we take Clausen at five, or even at 36. You are not privvy to those conversations. As I said, this report is in no way an indication of the Pioli/Haley/Weis dynamic. To suggest so is utter bullshit, IMHO.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by penchief

You're taking this stuff way to personal. The way Hamas worded his post read like Weis gave his approval after they drafted him. I can see how it can be interpeted either way (that Mortensen reported it right afterward). I took it the other way.

That said, I'm not saying that it's bullshit that Mortenson reported it or even questioning that it happened. What I'm saying is bullshit is that the Clausen ball washers are trying to make more out of it than what it is. Especially by trying to say that it is evidence that Pioli doesn't listen to Weis. You have absolutely no proof of that.

Just because he told that to Fox doesn't mean he advocated that we take Clausen at five, or even at 36. You are not privvy to those conversations. As I said, this report is in no way an indication of the Pioli/Haley/Weis dynamic. To suggest so is utter bullshit, IMHO.

I'm not taking anything personal.

But feel free to continue to claim you have a clue you know what I'm thinking.

Like I've said before, find some posts of mine complaining we passed on Clausen from the weekend.

I've been over it since the minute we passed. I'm more upset we passed on solid starters at LB for the players we took.

I'm just enjoying the troll do his work.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

What's going to be really fun is comparing Cassel and Sanchez and Clausen for the next 4-5 years.




Oh and I'm sure now someone will tell me to go become a Panther's/Jets fan.....

Fxd!

Oh, and Hootie is a complete horses ass in this thread. "We're not going to take QB's in round one and two"?????

Well then **** us in the ass as we LIVE THE TRUE FAN DREAM!!!!

YAY HOOTIE! YAY bundle of sticksG WAGON!!!!

God he sucks ass...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by penchief

So that proves exactly what? That Weis was not going say something negative about Clausen to the panthers after they drafted him? What would the point have been?

To help out a fellow colleague. Again, this happens all the time. One of the reasons why Marques Colston slid on draft day was because his coaches ripped him to scouts.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

To help out a fellow colleague. Again, this happens all the time. One of the reasons why Marques Colston slid on draft day was because his coaches ripped him to scouts.

So Weis...his head coach...praised him to scouts on all accounts yet he still fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

what does that tell you?