Weiss told Fox to take Clausen

[Chiefnj2]

It's water under the bridge, but interesting nonetheless:

In doing pre-draft research, not that he thought he'd have a chance to get Clausen, Fox talked to Charlie Weis, his good friend and the former Irish coach. Weis and Fox are close. Fox is sure Weis wouldn't lie to him. "Charlie said he's probably the best he's ever had,'' Fox said. "He said, 'Take this guy. Trust me.' Everyone I talked to, including a couple of people at Notre Dame, said the character issue was b.s. So we picked him.''

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[Hootie]

lets put it this way...

if Juice becomes a dominant NFL receiver...passing on him was worse than drafting Tyson Jackson #3 overall.

I will never get over it.

Ever.

Juice > Calvin Johnson

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I'm shocked to see who's in here sulking!

Wow...

Every thread has its constants!

Surprise, surprise!

Sulking?

Find a post from this past weekend where I said I was pissed we passed on Clausen.

I've been "over it" since we passed on him at 36. I knew at that point that Weis had been overruled.

If you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you'd see that my complaint is that we passed on guys, mainly at ILB and OLB that would have helped the TEAM more than a part time scat back.

But don't let facts get in the way. You never have before, why start now?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah....just like I follow Ryan Harris's career.

Do you even follow college football?

I love watching inferior talent run gimmick offenses and destroy teams 70-3 every week!

College football rules!

I'd rather gauge my eyes out with a spork than follow anything college football...

Does that discredit my opinion?

I do the same thing all of you do...sure, I can respect someone like Mecca when he talks about USC because he probably watches 75% of their games...

But I do not respect their opinions about every single prospect that becomes draft eligible because it is literally impossible to keep track unless you are paid to do so professionally...

There is no way Mecca watches Maryland Terapin games...or Illinois Fighting Illini games...or Minnesota Golden Gopher games...

You can watch almost every NFL game if you want...and keep track of every player if you want...

You can't even come CLOSE to doing that in college football...which makes it a boring ****ing sport to follow...especially since you get to watch your "favorite players" play for a year or two, three if you're lucky and then they are gone...and if your team sucks for more than three years the coach is gone...and if they don't bring in a good coach then the program goes to complete shit and then you just become a USC fan like Mecca probably did when he was a kid and used to cheer for Florida State...

Almost guarantee you he was a Florida or Florida State fan when he was a kid...just like every other kid in the ****ing world in our generation...or maybe a Miami fan...he grew up a few years before me when the U was still going strong.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I knew at that point that Weis had been overruled.

Nice. I see what you did there!

That's rich.

How do you know Weis didn't say..."Scott, I was with this kid for three years...he doesn't have it...I love him and all...but he's not our answer. We shouldn't even have him on our draft board!"

That's as likely...100% as likely...as assuming Weis got overruled.

[boogblaster]

May the bird of feetball fly over and drop a loaf ...

[The Franchise]

Dude....you are so far on Mecca's nuts.....it's not even funny.

[penchief]

Again, more hearsay and speculation. What do you expect Fox to say? He's going to justify his picks just like every other team will do. And what did you expect Weis to say? Jimmy sucks? What Weis may or may not have told Fox about Clausen has no bearing on the dynamic between Weis and Pioli.

I wish people would quit looking for reasons to cast aspersions about stuff they have little or no true knowledge about. There is a reason Clausen lasted until the 48th pick in the draft. And it isn't because the chiefs didn't pick him at five. He may prove to be a good starter in this league but he got drafted where he did because that was his perceived value at the time of the draft.

Look at this way. If it was so obvious that Clausen was a franchise quarterback why did Fox even have to confer with Weis before taking him? And what exactly did Weis mean when he said "he was the best I ever had?" Was he better than Brady? If he said that to Fox he was clearly blowing smoke up his ass. If he meant that he was better than Quinn, well, that's not saying much.

Not to mention this is supposed to have taken place before the draft which means that every team is blowing smoke because they don't want to tip their hand.

Some people will latch on to anything to keep beating a dead horse. This just sounds like more bullshit to me.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Nice. I see what you did there!

That's rich.

How do you know Weis didn't say..."Scott, I was with this kid for three years...he doesn't have it...I love him and all...but he's not our answer. We shouldn't even have him on our draft board!"

That's as likely...100% as likely...as assuming Weis got overruled.

Did you read the article posted? I'm guessing not.

You really think that Charlie Weis is going to purposefully give a colleague bad information?

There was a post a few days ago that talked about how much these guys share info and help other teams. I specifically remember someone responding to it by saying they were shocked that so much information is shared between teams.

What will you change the subject to this time?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by penchief

Again, more hearsay and speculation. What do you expect Fox to say? He's going to justify his picks just like every other team will do. And what did you expect Weis to say? Jimmy sucks? What Weis may or may not have told Fox about Clausen has no bearing on the dynamic between Weis and Pioli.

I wish people would quit looking for reasons to cast aspersions about stuff they have little or no true knowledge about. There is a reason Clausen lasted until the 48th pick in the draft. And it isn't because the chiefs didn't pick him at five. He may prove to be a good starter in this league but he got drafted where he did because that was his perceived value at the time of the draft.

Look at this way. If it was so obvious that Clausen was a franchise quarterback why did Fox even have to confer with Weis before taking him? And what exactly did Weis mean when he said "he was the best I ever had?" Was he better than Brady? If he said that to Fox he was clearly blowing smoke up his ass. If he meant that he was better than Quinn, well, that's not saying much.

This just sounds like more bullshit to me.

Except for the fact that Chris Mortensen reported the fact that Weis personally signed off on Clausen to the Panters' OC immediately after they drafted him on ESPN on Friday.

[Hootie]

It's true...

Every ****ing person I grew up with in Champaign, IL (home of the Fighting Illini) don't give two shits about anything Illinois football other than the Saturday morning tailgates...you can buy season tickets for $64...not a piece...for an entire season.

No one gives a shit...everyone is either a USC fan, a Miami fan, a Florida fan, etc. etc. etc.

Same thing happened with Illinois basketball...

10 years ago with Kruger, everyone loved Illinois...5 years ago with Self, same...the year we went to the National Title game...OMG...Illinois rules!

Now that they ****ing suck again...

No one gives a shit.

No one.

That's why college sports are clearly inferior to professional sports...

My biggest college sports friend is a fan of Duke, Miami, and Tim Tebow.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

That shit drives me up a wall...

and why would I invest emotionally in college sports when everyone is like this?

People in Kansas are only KU fans because they are good every year...

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Dude....you are so far on Mecca's nuts.....it's not even funny.

what does that even mean?

How am I on his nuts?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Did you read the article posted? I'm guessing not.

You really think that Charlie Weis is going to purposefully give a colleague bad information?

There was a post a few days ago that talked about how much these guys share info and help other teams. I specifically remember someone responding to it by saying they were shocked that so much information is shared between teams.

What will you change the subject to this time?

I can't believe you can try to justify this...

Charlie Weis isn't going to throw his college QB under the bus...

He's a paid employee of the Kansas City Chiefs and has a relationship with Todd Haley and Scott Pioli that goes WAY back...

There is a reason why Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen aren't Chiefs...period.

Both could have been Chiefs, and both aren't...

You Pioli critics can go ahead and use this to push your anti-Pioli agenda further...but if you had some common sense, you would figure it out.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Except for the fact that Chris Mortensen reported the fact that Weis personally signed off on Clausen to the Panters' OC immediately after they drafted him on ESPN on Friday.

is that the same guy who cited Jack Harry and Nick Athan when Shanahan's deal was done?

Just curious...

Checking my facts.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You can cite Harry and Athan and their info can be wrong.

I don't think the Panthers' OC is going to lie about talking to Charlie Weis, especially given that he worked with Weis in New England, you dumb ****.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Except for the fact that Chris Mortensen reported the fact that Weis personally signed off on Clausen to the Panters' OC immediately after they drafted him on ESPN on Friday.

So that proves exactly what? That Weis was not going say something negative about Clausen to the panthers after they drafted him? What would the point have been?