Chiefs WTF? Matt Cassel is the #1 rated QB in the NFL the last 5 games? True?

tonyetony · 10-26-2010, 08:09 PM

He was sacked 24 times in his first 6 games last year compared to 5 this year. His success this year will be directly related to the health of our offensive line.

**ShortRoundChief** · 10-26-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

He was sacked 24 times in his first 6 games last year compared to 5 this year. His success this year will be directly rated to the health of our offensive line.

So what you're saying is if a qb isn't under pressure he'll do better.

Whew.

That's a relief, lol.

tonyetony · 10-26-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

So what you're saying is if a qb isn't under pressure he'll do better.

Whew.

That's a relief, lol.

No I 'm saying last year our line from center to right tackle sucked worse than Cassel.

**Lzen** · 10-27-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

So what you're saying is if a qb isn't under pressure he'll do better.

Whew.

That's a relief, lol.

While that was a "duh" statement, it is accurate. The difference in sacks from last year to this year is amazing. I often wondered last year if that poor line play might ruin any chance the guy had at becoming a serviceable NFL QB. And the preseason and first couple weeks of this season looked like that was the case. But he has played well recently. I will cut him some slack....for now.

**BigRedChief** · 10-27-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

While that was a "duh" statement, it is accurate. The difference in sacks from last year to this year is amazing. I often wondered last year if that poor line play might ruin any chance the guy had at becoming a serviceable NFL QB. And the preseason and first couple weeks of this season looked like that was the case. But he has played well recently. I will cut him some slack....for now.

Leads the league in QB% and you'll cut him some slack

for what? a week?

milkman · 10-27-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

...interesting, considering the HC has made it clear we want to be team that can run the ball, despite the fan base's desire for Cassel to be an elite, game changing QB...

I don't give a rat's ass if we run the ball 60 times a game, I want to have confidence that the QB can make plays when it comes to him needing to make plays, and we haven't seen any evidence to suggest that he can do that.

I'm talking about late game situations when he needs to make a pass to win, or seal a win.

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Originally Posted by Lzen

While that was a "duh" statement, it is accurate. The difference in sacks from last year to this year is amazing. I often wondered last year if that poor line play might ruin any chance the guy had at becoming a serviceable NFL QB. And the preseason and first couple weeks of this season looked like that was the case. But he has played well recently. I will cut him some slack....for now.

JFC, how many times does it have to be pointed out that the O-Line, as bad as it was, wasn't solely responsible for the number of sacks he took last year.

His sack numbers for 15 1/2 game for New England were higher than the sack numbers that Brady took the season before, and the season after, combined.

Cassel was every bit as responsible for the 45 sacks he suffered last year as the O-Line.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't give a rat's ass if we run the ball 60 times a game, I want to have confidence that the QB can make plays when it comes to him needing to make plays, and we haven't seen any evidence to suggest that he can do that.

I'm talking about late game situations when he needs to make a pass to win, or seal a win.

Well maybe we will find out if he has what it takes in the remaining 10 games... Cause right now, we havent had that situation yet...

And lets not drag Houston into the discussion.... The Defense totally shit the bed and Haley/Weis decided to be super cute instead of winning the football game.

So as much as I would hate to be in that situation, I would rather know if he can or cant before postseason begins.

milkman · 10-27-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Well maybe we will find out if he has what it takes in the remaining 10 games... Cause right now, we havent had that situation yet...

And lets not drag Houston into the discussion.... The Defense totally shit the bed and Haley/Weis decided to be super cute instead of winning the football game.

So as much as I would hate to be in that situation, I would rather know if he can or cant before postseason begins.

Houston does get dragged into this, because even with the defense shitting the bed, Cassel had a chance to seal that win on a third and two pass play (which you seem to think was "cute", but the Chiefs had been stuffed on running plays in short yardage situations consistently all day), and he shit the bed.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Houston does get dragged into this, because even with the defense shitting the bed, Cassel had a chance to seal that win on a third and two pass play (which you seem to think was "cute", but the Chiefs had been stuffed on running plays in short yardage situations consistently all day), and he shit the bed.

Yes it was way to "cute" for that time in the game... along with the TE breaking the route off running backwards down the field... It was fail from the word go....

And we werent getting stuffed all day on the short runs, We ran a few 4 and shorts during the game and converted them, IIRC.... I Have the game on the Tivo, I could go back and count up how many we did convert if need to...

But to run something that required a pass across the field, with your TE running backwards, was just way to cute...

We have before that game and during that game completed some key 3rd downs that didnt involve some trickery or backwards running TEs...

Anyway, we still have 10 games to see what he has, at some point we will need him to deliver, Can he? Will he? I dont know, nobody but the Chiefs coaching staff and Cassel know...

We will just speculate and try to form opinions as fact...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-27-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Houston does get dragged into this, because even with the defense shitting the bed, Cassel had a chance to seal that win on a third and two pass play (which you seem to think was "cute", but the Chiefs had been stuffed on running plays in short yardage situations consistently all day), and he shit the bed.

Yep.

For all the shit the defense has gotten over that loss, no one wants to talk about the fact they were on the field for all but 55 seconds of the last 7 minutes of the game.

3 play, 8 yard drives consuming 55 seconds doesn't exactly help the defense.

Just Passin' By · 10-28-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't give a rat's ass if we run the ball 60 times a game, I want to have confidence that the QB can make plays when it comes to him needing to make plays, and we haven't seen any evidence to suggest that he can do that.

I'm talking about late game situations when he needs to make a pass to win, or seal a win.

JFC, how many times does it have to be pointed out that the O-Line, as bad as it was, wasn't solely responsible for the number of sacks he took last year.

His sack numbers for 15 1/2 game for New England were higher than the sack numbers that Brady took the season before, and the season after, combined.

Cassel was every bit as responsible for the 45 sacks he suffered last year as the O-Line.

You keep trying to lay the blame for those sacks from last year on Cassel by citing to what happened in his first season as a stater. It's just not an accurate 1:1 comparison. The first half of that season, Cassel was sacked 28 times, with 233 passes attempted. The second half of that season, Cassel was sacked 17 times, with 283 passes attempted. Why the big difference? Cassel was learning the position, and Neal was out on PUP, leaving a very bad replacement at RG.

milkman · 10-28-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You keep trying to lay the blame for those sacks from last year on Cassel by citing to what happened in his first season as a stater. It's just not an accurate 1:1 comparison. The first half of that season, Cassel was sacked 28 times, with 233 passes attempted. The second half of that season, Cassel was sacked 17 times, with 283 passes attempted. Why the big difference? Cassel was learning the position, and Neal was out on PUP, leaving a very bad replacement at RG.

No, the difference was that Josh McDaniels put him a shotgun spread in the second half of the season for a much larger percentage of plays than he had run in the first half.

milkman · 10-26-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

He was sacked 24 times in his first 6 games last year compared to 5 this year. His success this year will be directly related to the health of our offensive line.

The O-Line is improved and providing better protection, but the primary reason he isn't taking sacks is because Weis has him getting teh ball out much quicker than he did last year.

He has been subject to taking a lot of sacks in the past, not only in KC, but in New England as well, because he held the ball for far too long.

**petegz28** · 10-26-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is improved and providing better protection, but the primary reason he isn't taking sacks is because Weis has him getting teh ball out much quicker than he did last year.

He has been subject to taking a lot of sacks in the past, not only in KC, but in New England as well, because he held the ball for far too long.

Yes, that is absolutely correct. He has Drew Bledsoe syndrome. Sometime you just have to throw it away and go onto the next play.

tonyetony · 10-26-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is improved and providing better protection, but the primary reason he isn't taking sacks is because Weis has him getting teh ball out much quicker than he did last year.

He has been subject to taking a lot of sacks in the past, not only in KC, but in New England as well, because he held the ball for far too long.

Oh I agree 100% but I think we can all agree the right side of our line this year isn't the liability that it was last year.

Lilja for Goff?? Weigman for Niswonger??? No comparison.

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