Chiefs Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs - Page 5

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 03:14 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm

Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen.

"I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]."

It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves."

Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."

**wazu** · 10-30-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Rool

ya, he's good, he's damn good, but we need to learn our lesson on paying high priced RBs. It's not a position of longevity. Plus, running backs are a dime a dozen. I would rather us throw our money at Flowers

We aren't anywhere near the salary cap. In fact this team struggles to stay above the league's salary floor. There is no reason we can't have both, plus a bunch of other really good players.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

We aren't anywhere near the salary cap. In fact this team struggles to stay above the league's salary floor. There is no reason we can't have both, plus a bunch of other really good players.

There IS no salary cap.

Does anyone in this forum know the rules?

**BigRedChief** · 10-30-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Pioli, you damned well better have our team's payroll at least somewhere near the salary cap before you even think of letting Charles go. Our team needs to collect more talent, not say goodbye to what it already has.

I'd assume thats the case. It's a lot harder to find a good CB. You find him, you keep and pay him. If you can also keep the RB?

rtmike · 10-30-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

We aren't anywhere near the salary cap. In fact this team struggles to stay above the league's salary floor. There is no reason we can't have both, plus a bunch of other really good players.

Since there is no more salary floor I wonder how cheap Pioli thinks he can operate at?

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2010/01...-cba-rules-be/

If you are going to be stupid about a subject, at least make it a subject that I can't prove your stupidity with a one minute google search.

From your link.

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What determines whether a player is a restricted free agent in the “Final League Year?”

A: In capped seasons, a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three, four or five accrued seasons.

**LoneWolf** · 10-30-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

From your link.

RFA in an uncapped year is determined by the length of contract the player has signed. UFA is after six years in an uncapped year. You stated that the Chiefs would receive a third round pick as compensation if another team signed Charles. The Chiefs can determine what draft pick compensation they can receive by the amout of their tender offer to Charles.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

RFA in an uncapped year is determined by the length of contract the player has signed. UFA is after six years in an uncapped year. You stated that the Chiefs would receive a third round pick as compensation if another team signed Charles. The Chiefs can determine what draft pick compensation they can receive by the amout of their tender offer to Charles.

Next year won't be an uncapped year. Who knows how the new CBA will work out. All I know is the uncapped year saved Denver's ass because Denver got extra tenders to use on their UFA's.

And Denver slapped a 1st round tender on Brandon Marshall this offseason and they didn't get it.

**wazu** · 10-30-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There IS no salary cap.

Does anyone in this forum know the rules?

Okay, vagina boy, there isn't one this year. There was one last year and we were a long, long way from it. When we have a new one next year we'll still be nowhere near it.

**LoneWolf** · 10-30-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Next year won't be an uncapped year. Who knows how the new CBA will work out. All I know is the uncapped year saved Denver's ass because Denver got extra tenders to use on their UFA's.

And Denver slapped a 1st round tender on Brandon Marshall this offseason and they didn't get it.

Your first two sentences contradict each other.

Denver didn't get a first round pick for Marshall because they decided to work out a deal with Miami for less compensation.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-30-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

We aren't anywhere near the salary cap. In fact this team struggles to stay above the league's salary floor. There is no reason we can't have both, plus a bunch of other really good players.

I dont wanna be a dick here, but have you been hiding under a rock?

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-30-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Next year won't be an uncapped year. Who knows how the new CBA will work out. All I know is the uncapped year saved Denver's ass because Denver got extra tenders to use on their UFA's.

And Denver slapped a 1st round tender on Brandon Marshall this offseason and they didn't get it.

The players will vote to decertify the Union. That means they will play under the current CBA. It could be several yrs before a new CBA is in place. So, if this yr is uncapped, why would next yr be capped if there is no new CBA?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-30-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Uhh dude you are wrong. A player is available for RFA after three seasons seasons in the league.

Bullshit.

Dude, you are truly clueless.

keg in kc · 10-30-2010, 03:58 PM

I don't think it's a bad strategy to have. It's one of the shortest-lived positions in the league. RBs take a beating like nobody else.

Nightfyre · 10-30-2010, 04:31 PM

The answer is so simple, it's astonishing. Franchise him. One year deal. We can keep him or deal him, or maybe he can deal himself and get us a first and third. Who else would we franchise?

**DaFace** · 10-30-2010, 04:33 PM

I have to agree with Dane - it's hard to even discuss this given that we don't know what the situation will be when it becomes an issue.

10-30-2010, 03:14 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen. "I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]." It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves." Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	The answer is so simple, it's astonishing. Franchise him. One year deal. We can keep him or deal him, or maybe he can deal himself and get us a first and third. Who else would we franchise?
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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1923101	I have to agree with Dane - it's hard to even discuss this given that we don't know what the situation will be when it becomes an issue.
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