Randy Moss released

[dirk digler]

Moss hasn't been released and some people in the Vikings organization don't want to release him

[bowener]

So, when Childress is fired at the end of this season and Favre is gone on to do some attention whoring somewhere else, who takes over coaching?

Do you think Cowher would take a serious look at them?

They have a stout D (when it wants to be), and a stud running back and solid running game. That seems to fit his MO.

What do you think?

[salame]

Originally Posted by bowener

So, when Childress is fired at the end of this season and Favre is gone on to do some attention whoring somewhere else, who takes over coaching?

Do you think Cowher would take a serious look at them?

They have a stout D (when it wants to be), and a stud running back and solid running game. That seems to fit his MO.

What do you think?

Wade Phillips

[bowener]

Originally Posted by salame

Wade Phillips

Ah.... and Cowher to Dallas?

[salame]

Originally Posted by bowener

Ah.... and Cowher to Dallas?

Cowher or Gruden

[chiefzilla1501]

Don't like this. Not one bit.

We're doing a great job of teaching these young kids really great habits. Mistake-free football and playing your ****ing ass off every single down. Our best chance of winning this year is conditioning, hustle, and discipline.

What Moss does for our team is give us a legit deep threat and open underneath stuff for McCluster, where I think he could be an absolute demon. Here's the rub. We are a great run offense with receivers who block the shit out of defenses--Moss doesn't block. Moss' only route that he runs well is a 9 route deep--we don't have a QB who can get it to him consistently and accurately. Our offense is built around chewing time off the clock. We will not win in a shootout--Moss' only reason for being is to be the deep guy. Our goal is to win playoff games--Moss isn't a guy who has shown he will put in an A effort when it matters most.

Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe.

This is why you're wrong.

In fact, it's why you're usually wrong.

This has nothing to do with winning a few more regular season games.

It has absolutely everything to do with winning a playoff game and being a true threat to do damage against good teams. Can you imagine how different the Indy game is if Moss is going up for that jump ball instead of Bowe? Don't you think we could've put the Houston game out of reach?

Winning 3 games in January against premier opponents is a very difficult task and it's not something you're going to do with an offense that presents absolutely no threat further downfield than 15 yards. Safeties will crash the box, LBs won't respect the seams, corners will press cover so they can offer better run support.

You cannot afford to be one-dimensional against good teams and this move would help us eliminate that.

It's not about winning regular season games. It's about being relevant in January - a feeling we haven't had in 40 years and something that's not likely to happen with the philosophy you're espousing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is why you're wrong.

In fact, it's why you're usually wrong.

This has nothing to do with winning a few more regular season games.

It has absolutely everything to do with winning a playoff game and being a true threat to do damage against good teams. Can you imagine how different the Indy game is if Moss is going up for that jump ball instead of Bowe? Don't you think we could've put the Houston game out of reach?

Winning 3 games in January against premier opponents is a very difficult task and it's not something you're going to do with an offense that presents absolutely no threat further downfield than 15 yards. Safeties will crash the box, LBs won't respect the seams, corners will press cover so they can offer better run support.

You cannot afford to be one-dimensional against good teams and this move would help us eliminate that.

It's not about winning regular season games. It's about being relevant in January - a feeling we haven't had in 40 years and something that's not likely to happen with the philosophy you're espousing.

Sorry, but I don't believe we are one receiver away from winning in January. If we were, okay, fine.

What we are is a young team with tremendous character that plays their asses off and wins games by controlling the clock and running the ball down the other team's throats.

I am of the school that douchebaggery is contagious. Any team person knows this. A guy who doesn't give a shit about practice, doesn't give a shit about winning, doesn't give a shit about the game anymore, and gives inconsistent effort on the field is going to rub off in some way. Even if it's from frustration of his teammates or distraction. Or even if it's teaching young kids taht you can get away with that because you have god-given talent. Even slightly. Let's not forget the team is filled with a lot of guys who are young and very impressionable. I also don't know how you think there is any guarantee that Moss is going to care enough about winning or putting the effort to win when it matters most.

In the heat of a run, I dont' want to worry about whether our receiver is going to care enough to play or whether he runs off his mouth and throws his coaching staff under the bus because he didn't like a playcall as he did Childress. I don't want guys like Charles and Flowers and Carr to have to answer week after week how they responded to some comment that Moss made in the media.

It's not worth it. Not at this stage in his career, and not at this stage of the Chiefs' rebuild. He's not a magic bullet.

[oldandslow]

Our old friend JW weighs in

Viking Voodoo wrote:
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Schefter says Moss open 2 returning. Glazer says Vikes players livid w/Chilly. Chilly didn't clear w/bosses = Chilly getting fired, y'all.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sorry, but I don't believe we are one receiver away from winning in January. If we were, okay, fine.

What we are is a young team with tremendous character that plays their asses off and wins games by controlling the clock and running the ball down the other team's throats.

I am of the school that douchebaggery is contagious. Any team person knows this. A guy who doesn't give a shit about practice, doesn't give a shit about winning, doesn't give a shit about the game anymore, and gives inconsistent effort on the field is going to rub off in some way. Even if it's from frustration of his teammates or distraction. Or even if it's teaching young kids taht you can get away with that because you have god-given talent. Even slightly. Let's not forget the team is filled with a lot of guys who are young and very impressionable. I also don't know how you think there is any guarantee that Moss is going to care enough about winning or putting the effort to win when it matters most.

In the heat of a run, I dont' want to worry about whether our receiver is going to care enough to play or whether he runs off his mouth and throws his coaching staff under the bus because he didn't like a playcall as he did Childress. I don't want guys like Charles and Flowers and Carr to have to answer week after week how they responded to some comment that Moss made in the media.

It's not worth it. Not at this stage in his career, and not at this stage of the Chiefs' rebuild. He's not a magic bullet.

This is just so much warmed over horseshit that I don't know where to start.

Since when did Moss not care about winning or football? Moss has always been a guy that loves winning and loves playing ball. He doesn't always practice well but he's hardly a cancer as his teammates generally speak very positively of him.

And he's a guy that simply doesn't care about the bullshit anymore. Childress is an awful coach that runs an awful organization - Moss said it. The Raiders were an awful organization with no leadership anywhere - Moss said it.

Run a good organization with leaders in place and Moss will play hard for you.

Moss's contributions on the field would go much deeper than just "another receiver". Moss is a force multiplier. Like an A-10 or an Abrams, Moss makes everything you put on the field more effective if only by his mere presence. He'd be a guy that changes the character of the entire Chiefs offense and open up avenues that this team simply doesn't have right now.

Will it guarantee a championship - well of course not. But in a league where parity rules the day, it could absolutely mean a win in the first round. And hell, if it means a win in the first round...what stops it from meaning a win in the 2nd round?

It's a funny league and Moss makes us much more dangerous. If this team can carry a guy that literally sucker-punched his quarterback as a starting D-lineman, why the hell can't it carry Randy Moss?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Moss hasn't been released and some people in the Vikings organization don't want to release him

I heard this, too.

[Shag]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Moss hasn't been released and some people in the Vikings organization don't want to release him

There's similar rumblings around local sports radio here. Talk is that this was 100% a Childress decision, and not all of the front office is on the same page.

Would be interesting if the FO decided to fire Childress and keep Moss. Would be a better move for the Vikes, IMHO...