Randy Moss released

[KC kid]

nm

[bowener]

Originally Posted by salame

Wade Phillips

Ah.... and Cowher to Dallas?

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by FAX

Problem is that I don't think he was a team captain, Mr. The Bad Guy.

I'll bet Moss would relish the concept of having Cassel as his quarterback.

He'd be spending every game all by himself 40 yards downfield.

FAX

So true Mr. FAX.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Moss hasn't been released and some people in the Vikings organization don't want to release him

I heard this, too.

[Thig Lyfe]

Well, I don't see how they can just keep him and pretend like Childress didn't say he was gone. No way Moss doesn't get released. It's just a matter of making it official.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The people saying no to him coming to the Chiefs are hilarious. Like the Patriots suffered any when his attitude "went south". ****ing please.

Having Randy Moss on the field with Jamaal Charles, Bowe and Moeaki is a matchup nightmare.

Some of you moral police officers are gold.

I mentioned this earlier elsewhere. I'm not looking at this from the standpoint of a "moral police officer". I don't actually have a problem with Moss. But the fact remains that he does have a track record. I thought the original move made sense in New England, because he was joining an established championship team with veteran players and veteran leadership. The Chiefs are not that, not yet. They're a team that's trying to turn around a losing mindset that's more than a decade old (yes, I'm including the Vermeil years). They're trying to establish a roster-wide attitude of "team first" as demonstrated by the way they publicly dealt with Bowe, DJ and Dorsey last year, and have dealt (some would argue; I don't necessarily agree) to some degree with Charles this year. They are trying to build the Chiefs into what New England was at the point where they brought Moss on board. Now, there's no question about Moss' talent, even at his age. What I think needs to be questioned is what kind of impact he might have on the team chemistry at this point of the rebuild. Cassel is not Brady. The team does not have championships, doesn't even, in fact, have a winning tradition, they don't really have any veteran leadership outside of Vrabel and Thomas Jones, and Moss, himself, goes directly against the mold into which they're trying to form their stars of the future (Moss mentoring Bowe...?).

So the question is - and this is the question Pioli and Haley would theoretically have to figure out - do Moss' positives (talent...) outweigh his negatives (...) for a team like Kansas City where they are *right now*?

I think if I'm a veteran playoff team with an established core of players, I'm on the phone already (let's say Moss joins Manning in Indy...). If I'm us, I just don't know. I'm glad it's not a decision I have to make.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SportsRacer

Well, I don't see how they can just keep him and pretend like Childress didn't say he was gone. No way Moss doesn't get released. It's just a matter of making it official.

Maybe Childress won't be around. But you are probably right.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The people saying no to him coming to the Chiefs are hilarious. Like the Patriots suffered any when his attitude "went south". ****ing please.

Having Randy Moss on the field with Jamaal Charles, Bowe and Moeaki is a matchup nightmare.

Some of you moral police officers are gold.

It's not his morality I don't like, I just think if Belichick thinks he's better off without the guy there might be something to it. If this report is true, another team couldn't stand having him around for a month. Not to say I'm not intrigued by the possibility.

[chiefzilla1501]

Don't like this. Not one bit.

We're doing a great job of teaching these young kids really great habits. Mistake-free football and playing your ****ing ass off every single down. Our best chance of winning this year is conditioning, hustle, and discipline.

What Moss does for our team is give us a legit deep threat and open underneath stuff for McCluster, where I think he could be an absolute demon. Here's the rub. We are a great run offense with receivers who block the shit out of defenses--Moss doesn't block. Moss' only route that he runs well is a 9 route deep--we don't have a QB who can get it to him consistently and accurately. Our offense is built around chewing time off the clock. We will not win in a shootout--Moss' only reason for being is to be the deep guy. Our goal is to win playoff games--Moss isn't a guy who has shown he will put in an A effort when it matters most.

Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe.

This is why you're wrong.

In fact, it's why you're usually wrong.

This has nothing to do with winning a few more regular season games.

It has absolutely everything to do with winning a playoff game and being a true threat to do damage against good teams. Can you imagine how different the Indy game is if Moss is going up for that jump ball instead of Bowe? Don't you think we could've put the Houston game out of reach?

Winning 3 games in January against premier opponents is a very difficult task and it's not something you're going to do with an offense that presents absolutely no threat further downfield than 15 yards. Safeties will crash the box, LBs won't respect the seams, corners will press cover so they can offer better run support.

You cannot afford to be one-dimensional against good teams and this move would help us eliminate that.

It's not about winning regular season games. It's about being relevant in January - a feeling we haven't had in 40 years and something that's not likely to happen with the philosophy you're espousing.

[salame]

Originally Posted by bowener

Ah.... and Cowher to Dallas?

Cowher or Gruden

[salame]

P.S. I think he will probably be a Colt or Seahawk

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That'd be fun to watch until Carson Palmer pulls out a gun and shoots himself right there in the huddle.

That's when it would START being fun.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Brock

It's not his morality I don't like, I just think if Belichick thinks he's better off without the guy there might be something to it. If this report is true, another team couldn't stand having him around for a month. Not to say I'm not intrigued by the possibility.

I think it was an offensive philosphy shift more than it was his attitude. The Patriots have gone small ball again.

I think his attitude does suck at times, but I've yet to see a team that completely folded because of Randy.

This team needs a verticle threat in the worst way. It's the perfect talent fit.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Bwana

This may have been part of it?

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2010...andy-moss.html

The guy is a walking cancer.

Re-acquired in October from the New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 third-round pick, Moss caught 13 passes for 174 yards and two touchdowns in his second stint with the Vikings, who originally selected him with the 21st overall pick of the 1998 NFL Draft.

Moss caught one pass for 8 yards in Sunday's 28-18 loss to the Patriots, after which Moss made some critical comments about the Vikings while expressing his admiration for the Patriots' franchise.

"This is no disrespect to the Minnesota Vikings and their organization ... the captains, Wilfork, Tommy boy, Mayo...I'm forgetting somebody...Kevin Faulk. Man, I miss them guys," Moss said on Sunday night. "I miss the team. It was hard for me to come here and play. It's been an up and down roller-coaster emotionally all week. And then to be able to come in here and see those guys running plays that I know what they're doing and the sense that they had on the field, the running game. So I kind of know what type of feeling they have in that locker room, and I just want to be able to tell the guys that I miss the hell out of them, every last helmet in that locker room."

Because the traded deadline has passed, Moss is subject to the NFL's waiver system.

The 0-7 Buffalo Bills have top priority, followed by the Dallas Cowboys and Carolina Panthers (1-6), and 2-6 teams such as the San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos. Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati are next in line, but are unlikely to add high-profile receiver at this point in the season.

The 3-5 San Diego Chargers, however, might have interest in adding Moss for their attempt to turn around another slow start to the season.

New England has the NFL's best record, and are therefore unlikely to be awarded Moss, should they put a claim in.

While I agree he should have held back...he didn't say anything bad about the Vikings. He was paying tribute to his last team, and it was relevant because they played them. I don't see how this is a "bad cancer". I guess I just don't see Moss in the same light as TO.

I didn't watch the Pats game, but unless he tanked the game on purpose so the Pats would win is about the only way I would support Minnesota just flat out waiving Moss. It's just stupid. Now they gave the Patriots a 3rd round draft pick w/out getting anything in return.

[Stinger]

IMO I can see Miami taking him off of waivers so the Jets and or Patriots can't sign him ..........