Chiefs Chiefs vs. Ravens - who wins? - Page 5

**wazu** · 01-02-2011, 07:22 PM

Time to go on record.

Rams Fan · 01-03-2011, 01:32 AM

America wins, that's who.

Captain Obvious · 01-03-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Temporary insanity is not a defense in the world of chiefsplanet. If it was, no one would ever be convicted.

But being drunk is.

**BossChief** · 01-03-2011, 01:46 AM

The way I see it...

Their running game versus our run defense...push. I think their OL is good, but so is our DL and our linebackers move quite well. Our secondary is damn god in run support as well. They may have a couple nice runs up the a gaps, but I think we keep everything else in check for the most part.

Their passing game versus our pass defense...advantage us. Seriously, I think we have had trouble with speedy receivers thus far, but have done well against possession guys like the Ravens have. I think that if we can find a way to get the lead in this one, we can hold the lead. Carr and Flowers should do well against Mason and Boldin IMO and I think Arenas has what it takes to keep their slot guy (stallworth) in check. DJ has the tools to take their tightends away from too much open space as well. If Hali is able to get consistent pressure we should be able to force Flacco into some errand throws that we can make a play on. We should have chances to be opportunistic against their passing game.

Our running game against their run defense...advantage Ravens. I hate typing this one out, but Casey Weigman isnt big enough to play against these guys. No matter who is across from him, he is gonna need help and that will likely dictate what plays we will be able to run against their front. Hopefully, after we try a few times to run up the gut to no avail, we will abandon ship on trying and focus on what we should be able to do to them. We need to run perimeter runs and try to get Jamaal to the sidelines as much as possible. We might as well deactivate Thomas Jones for this one. DMC should get a lot of carries in this game. If I was coordinating this game, I would have Jamaal slotted for 25 touches and DMC to get 15-20 more. We would have both on the field A LOT.

Our Passing game against their secondary...this one will likely swing one way or the other depending on if Ed Reed plays or not. If he is out, we have some spots we can take advantage of in the passing game and we should be able to take them out of their game by doing so. They really dont have anyone that can take Bowe out of the game in coverage and they may even have trouble covering Tucker. We should also try to get Charles and DMC in space out of the backfield as we could have some serious matchups against their linebackers in this area. A huge factor that will likely tell the tale here is how well our line protects Cassel and allows him to go through his reads. If Cassel has time, he can help us sustain drives. If Reed is out, I feel we have a slight advantage in this area and if Reed plays at 100%, they have the advantage.

Special teams...slight advantage goes to us, but its close. I think they have a slight advantage in place kicking, but that we have a distinct advantage in punters...the return game is pretty close, enough so that I would call it a push.

I see this one being a low scoring game that we have a good chance to win if we can find a way to put up points by any means necessary...maybe even on a return on special teams or defense. I think that if we score 17, we win this game.

googlegoogle · 01-03-2011, 01:48 AM

how good are the raven corners?

yeah, thought so.

We are going to struggle running and that will be the game.

**BossChief** · 01-03-2011, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

31-21 Chiefs.

With lots of comments about "where was this team last week???".

I dont think we can score 31 points on them unless we have a special teams score and a defensive score. Hopefully, I miss as badly as I did when we first traded for Cassel.

Hammock Parties · 01-03-2011, 01:58 AM

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Their running game versus our run defense...push. I think their OL is good, but so is our DL and our linebackers move quite well. Our secondary is damn god in run support as well. They may have a couple nice runs up the a gaps, but I think we keep everything else in check for the most part.

Agree with this, in fact I think this favors KC because the Ravens have no deep threat. The Chiefs can cheat with their safeties all day. And, if you ask Ravens fans, they are thoroughly unimpressed with their line.

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Their passing game versus our pass defense...advantage us. Seriously, I think we have had trouble with speedy receivers thus far, but have done well against possession guys like the Ravens have. I think that if we can find a way to get the lead in this one, we can hold the lead. Carr and Flowers should do well against Mason and Boldin IMO and I think Arenas has what it takes to keep their slot guy (stallworth) in check. DJ has the tools to take their tightends away from too much open space as well. If Hali is able to get consistent pressure we should be able to force Flacco into some errand throws that we can make a play on. We should have chances to be opportunistic against their passing game.

Agree completely with this. What I like more than anything is that, once again, they are NOT a good pass blocking OL. Ravens fans want Oher at RT. Given the fact that Flacco loves to hold the ball - and he has a REAL issue with this - I think Hali could absolutely feast in this game.

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Our running game against their run defense...advantage Ravens. I hate typing this one out, but Casey Weigman isnt big enough to play against these guys. No matter who is across from him, he is gonna need help and that will likely dictate what plays we will be able to run against their front. Hopefully, after we try a few times to run up the gut to no avail, we will abandon ship on trying and focus on what we should be able to do to them. We need to run perimeter runs and try to get Jamaal to the sidelines as much as possible. We might as well deactivate Thomas Jones for this one. DMC should get a lot of carries in this game. If I was coordinating this game, I would have Jamaal slotted for 25 touches and DMC to get 15-20 more. We would have both on the field A LOT.

This is where I think we lose the game. You didn't even mention Kelly Gregg. Wiegmann and Lilja are gonna have to double team Gregg, which means Ngata is gonna be one on one with Waters the whole ****ing game. Or you can double Ngata and pray Wiegmann can play the game of his life. Either way, someone is gonna be one-on-one and I don't like those matchups.

We also don't have a fullback, and against Ray Lewis...yeesh.

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Our Passing game against their secondary...this one will likely swing one way or the other depending on if Ed Reed plays or not. If he is out, we have some spots we can take advantage of in the passing game and we should be able to take them out of their game by doing so. They really dont have anyone that can take Bowe out of the game in coverage and they may even have trouble covering Tucker. We should also try to get Charles and DMC in space out of the backfield as we could have some serious matchups against their linebackers in this area. If Reed is out, I feel we have a slight advantage in this area and if Reed plays at 100%, they have the advantage.

I don't really have a good read on this, but I do know the Ravens have had trouble generating a pass rush. I think they're going to bring ****tons of blitzes after watching this Raiders tape, so we better be ready.

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I see this one being a low scoring game that we have a good chance to win if we can find a way to put up points by any means necessary...maybe even on a return on special teams or defense. I think that if we score 17, we win this game.

Agree with this. We need to come out throwing and back off their run support. They know we don't have a deep threat. I don't think a defense led by Ray Lewis is scared of the Chiefs one bit. So, we need Bowe and Moeaki to make them question just how much they can commit to the running game.

RRPP IS NOT WINNING THIS GAME.

Bowe and Cassel have to come out hot early and then the running game has to take advantage.

If we don't run the ball, our defense is gonna end up getting winded after what figures to be a good start, and then Ray Rice becomes a factor and....we've seen that story before.

jd1020 · 01-03-2011, 03:32 AM

I never thought this team was as good as everyone made them out to be. The Chiefs are 2-4 against teams .500+. Benefitted from an easy schedule this year and I cant point to one aspect of next weeks game against the Ravens and say "Thats where the Chiefs will win the game." Our best chance to win will be with the passing game but we have Cassel throwing those passes. Another 1 and done season, but stranger things have happened this year.

ChiefsFan4Life · 01-03-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

What makes people think BAL isn't going to do what OAK did today? BAL is a much better team. Momentum into the playoffs is HUGE. OAK came into Arrowhead (where no team has won yet this season) and physically pushed KC around ALL....GAME.....LONG. You wanna talk about a letdown game....this was it.

BAL 24 KC 13

Totally agree with this

spanky 52 · 01-03-2011, 05:41 AM

Sure I want the Chief's to win. And having the game here helps. But I don't think we're as good as a lot of us think we are. There's still a lot of work to do on this rebuild.

Mile High Mania · 01-03-2011, 06:19 AM

Ravens are a nasty draw for KC...

Baltimore is a hell of a team - tremendous playmakers at all skill positions on both sides of the ball. I think you guys and the team should be proud of the 10 wins, but the playoff losing streak will not end this week.

Stryker · 01-03-2011, 07:27 AM

As much as I hate to say it, after yesterdays display, Ravens will stomp the shit out of KC. AGAIN, we are one and done.

JD10367 · 01-03-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Chiefs and Ravens. My two favorite teams. The teams I live and die with avery Sunday.

The Chiefs are my first love but I don't see them beating the Ravens. The Ravens are too physical on D and run the ball too well. At the end of the day Suggs, Lewis and Reed will be too much for the Chiefs. And at the end of the day I will on the one hand be happy and on the other be sad, regardless of the final score.

Well said. If the Chiefs win, I can cut-and-paste this and make minor edits.

Chiefnj2 · 01-03-2011, 08:19 AM

For the Chiefs to have much of a chance, I'd say special teams would have to come up strong and put some unexpected points on the board.

**RNR** · 01-03-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ravens are a nasty draw for KC...

Baltimore is a hell of a team - tremendous playmakers at all skill positions on both sides of the ball. I think you guys and the team should be proud of the 10 wins, but the playoff losing streak will not end this week.

There really is no "good draw" in the AFC. I do think the Jets would be a better match up for KC~

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-03-2011, 08:21 AM

This will be the second team we've played all year that even hit 10 wins, and the Ravens hit 12.

I figure they'll run right up the gut and at our LDE all day.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1795912	The way I see it... Their running game versus our run defense...push. I think their OL is good, but so is our DL and our linebackers move quite well. Our secondary is damn god in run support as well. They may have a couple nice runs up the a gaps, but I think we keep everything else in check for the most part. Their passing game versus our pass defense...advantage us. Seriously, I think we have had trouble with speedy receivers thus far, but have done well against possession guys like the Ravens have. I think that if we can find a way to get the lead in this one, we can hold the lead. Carr and Flowers should do well against Mason and Boldin IMO and I think Arenas has what it takes to keep their slot guy (stallworth) in check. DJ has the tools to take their tightends away from too much open space as well. If Hali is able to get consistent pressure we should be able to force Flacco into some errand throws that we can make a play on. We should have chances to be opportunistic against their passing game. Our running game against their run defense...advantage Ravens. I hate typing this one out, but Casey Weigman isnt big enough to play against these guys. No matter who is across from him, he is gonna need help and that will likely dictate what plays we will be able to run against their front. Hopefully, after we try a few times to run up the gut to no avail, we will abandon ship on trying and focus on what we should be able to do to them. We need to run perimeter runs and try to get Jamaal to the sidelines as much as possible. We might as well deactivate Thomas Jones for this one. DMC should get a lot of carries in this game. If I was coordinating this game, I would have Jamaal slotted for 25 touches and DMC to get 15-20 more. We would have both on the field A LOT. Our Passing game against their secondary...this one will likely swing one way or the other depending on if Ed Reed plays or not. If he is out, we have some spots we can take advantage of in the passing game and we should be able to take them out of their game by doing so. They really dont have anyone that can take Bowe out of the game in coverage and they may even have trouble covering Tucker. We should also try to get Charles and DMC in space out of the backfield as we could have some serious matchups against their linebackers in this area. A huge factor that will likely tell the tale here is how well our line protects Cassel and allows him to go through his reads. If Cassel has time, he can help us sustain drives. If Reed is out, I feel we have a slight advantage in this area and if Reed plays at 100%, they have the advantage. Special teams...slight advantage goes to us, but its close. I think they have a slight advantage in place kicking, but that we have a distinct advantage in punters...the return game is pretty close, enough so that I would call it a push. I see this one being a low scoring game that we have a good chance to win if we can find a way to put up points by any means necessary...maybe even on a return on special teams or defense. I think that if we score 17, we win this game.
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