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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

There has to be a reason why NOBODY wanted either player you are referencing.

Its stupid to blame Pioli for taking a pass on them, when everybody else did as well.

I am assuming you are talking about Franklin and Lawson....

All either player could get was a 1 year deal for teams that run systems that aren't anything like ours.

There had to be a reason why nobody wanted Kelly Gregg.

See - I can play that game too.

Lawson would've been an ideal fit for this defense; look at his scouting report, look at his performance in general. He's an absolutely ideal Ted.

And you can just stop talking about Franklin now. You went from beating your chest about how stupid we'd be to give him a long term deal to some nonsensical bleating about how clearly he was a bad signing if he went so cheap. Weren't you also yammering about how he's only a contract year player?

Think maybe a 1-yr deal for a guy like that might get him motivated a bit?

Just keep spinning. Those guys would have both done a hell of a lot of good for our defense. Alas, the cap salary floor doesn't go into effect until 2013 and Clark is his daddy's son.

Be prepared for another 2 years of being the KC Cheaps. Revel in the reputation - we've earned it.

What a joke.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There had to be a reason why nobody wanted Kelly Gregg.

See - I can play that game too.

Lawson would've been an ideal fit for this defense; look at his scouting report, look at his performance in general. He's an absolutely ideal Ted.

And you can just stop talking about Franklin now. You went from beating your chest about how stupid we'd be to give him a long term deal to some nonsensical bleating about how clearly he was a bad signing if he went so cheap. Weren't you also yammering about how he's only a contract year player?

Think maybe a 1-yr deal for a guy like that might get him motivated a bit?

Just keep spinning. Those guys would have both done a hell of a lot of good for our defense. Alas, the cap salary floor doesn't go into effect until 2013 and Clark is his daddy's son.

Be prepared for another 2 years of being the KC Cheaps. Revel in the reputation - we've earned it.

What a joke.

Harbaugh from the Ravens publicly said they wanted Gregg back and had an offer on the table for him...but we outbid them for his services.

The Jets also had an offer on the table that Harbaugh was aware of that he referenced...thats two playoff teams with superbowl aspirations.

I think Lawson would have been a good signing as strictly a player...but nobody here knows why NOBODY wanted him and he was forced to take a lowball deal from a lowball franchise....all Im saying is there is OBVIOUSLY something out there that made teams stay away. Not sure why you got mad about that, but whatever...I guess some here get a little too emotionally invested into disliking Pioli and falling in love with their own takes on players.

That whole paragraph about Franklin is crap. NFL teams obviously dont agree with you on this, not just poor old Pioli and his cheapass handler.

You are right though, I will stop talking about Franklin now....he only got a 1 year deal from a 4-3 team...even when other guys like Barry Coefield got big money long term contracts with 3-4 teams. FTR he was on a 1 year deal last year when he shit the bed...a one year deal worth almost 8 million dollars and if he showed up and proved he was worth it, he might have made 50 million on a long term contract with the Redskins....he didnt and he had to settle for another year of "prove it"

Lamar Hunt pushed the salary cap limit almost every year.

Nice job pissing on his grave though.

classy

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by BossChief

..but nobody here knows why NOBODY wanted him and he was forced to take a lowball deal from a lowball franchise....

From what I hear the new FA rules are creating a glut of talent. The players are getting as nervous about snagging a job as we are about snagging players, and the Front Offices are winning this game of chicken. Obviously it's not that simple in every situation but the market has a certain bias this year.

[rad]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Harbaugh from the Ravens publicly said they wanted Gregg back and had an offer on the table for him...but we outbid them for his services.

The Jets also had an offer on the table that Harbaugh was aware of that he referenced...thats two playoff teams with superbowl aspirations.

I think Lawson would have been a good signing as strictly a player...but nobody here knows why NOBODY wanted him and he was forced to take a lowball deal from a lowball franchise....all Im saying is there is OBVIOUSLY something out there that made teams stay away. Not sure why you got mad about that, but whatever...I guess some here get a little too emotionally invested into disliking Pioli and falling in love with their own takes on players.

That whole paragraph about Franklin is crap. NFL teams obviously dont agree with you on this, not just poor old Pioli and his cheapass handler.

You are right though, I will stop talking about Franklin now....he only got a 1 year deal from a 4-3 team...even when other guys like Barry Coefield got big money long term contracts with 3-4 teams. FTR he was on a 1 year deal last year when he shit the bed...a one year deal worth almost 8 million dollars and if he showed up and proved he was worth it, he might have made 50 million on a long term contract with the Redskins....he didnt and he had to settle for another year of "prove it"

Lamar Hunt pushed the salary cap limit almost every year.

Nice job pissing on his grave though.

classy

*slow clap*

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Harbaugh from the Ravens publicly said they wanted Gregg back and had an offer on the table for him...but we outbid them for his services.

The Jets also had an offer on the table that Harbaugh was aware of that he referenced...thats two playoff teams with superbowl aspirations.

I think Lawson would have been a good signing as strictly a player...but nobody here knows why NOBODY wanted him and he was forced to take a lowball deal from a lowball franchise....all Im saying is there is OBVIOUSLY something out there that made teams stay away. Not sure why you got mad about that, but whatever...I guess some here get a little too emotionally invested into disliking Pioli and falling in love with their own takes on players.

That whole paragraph about Franklin is crap. NFL teams obviously dont agree with you on this, not just poor old Pioli and his cheapass handler.

You are right though, I will stop talking about Franklin now....he only got a 1 year deal from a 4-3 team...even when other guys like Barry Coefield got big money long term contracts with 3-4 teams. FTR he was on a 1 year deal last year when he shit the bed...a one year deal worth almost 8 million dollars and if he showed up and proved he was worth it, he might have made 50 million on a long term contract with the Redskins....he didnt and he had to settle for another year of "prove it"

Lamar Hunt pushed the salary cap limit almost every year.

Nice job pissing on his grave though.

classy

btw- did you notice Franklin was absent the final half of that 9er game? He was pulled? Might have raised hell and contributed to coach's firing? Not that I wouldn't fire him. Hell, I would have found a guy to replace him at the end of the previous year. Singletary was a great on the field, but I don't see how anyone could think he was going to pull off HC. Not a good communicator at all and can't handle the entertainment side of pro football.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There had to be a reason why nobody wanted Kelly Gregg.

See - I can play that game too.

Lawson would've been an ideal fit for this defense; look at his scouting report, look at his performance in general. He's an absolutely ideal Ted.

And you can just stop talking about Franklin now. You went from beating your chest about how stupid we'd be to give him a long term deal to some nonsensical bleating about how clearly he was a bad signing if he went so cheap. Weren't you also yammering about how he's only a contract year player?

Think maybe a 1-yr deal for a guy like that might get him motivated a bit?

Just keep spinning. Those guys would have both done a hell of a lot of good for our defense. Alas, the cap salary floor doesn't go into effect until 2013 and Clark is his daddy's son.

Be prepared for another 2 years of being the KC Cheaps. Revel in the reputation - we've earned it.

What a joke.

he signed on the morning after FA started. not a great comparison there.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There had to be a reason why nobody wanted Kelly Gregg.

See - I can play that game too.

Lawson would've been an ideal fit for this defense; look at his scouting report, look at his performance in general. He's an absolutely ideal Ted.

And you can just stop talking about Franklin now. You went from beating your chest about how stupid we'd be to give him a long term deal to some nonsensical bleating about how clearly he was a bad signing if he went so cheap. Weren't you also yammering about how he's only a contract year player?

Think maybe a 1-yr deal for a guy like that might get him motivated a bit?

Just keep spinning. Those guys would have both done a hell of a lot of good for our defense. Alas, the cap salary floor doesn't go into effect until 2013 and Clark is his daddy's son.

Be prepared for another 2 years of being the KC Cheaps. Revel in the reputation - we've earned it.

What a joke.

I understand your point, but I think we're both in agreement that this isn't a SB-contending team, and wouldn't be even with those 2 players. So what's the harm in developing younger talent this year?

Both Franklin and Lawson signed 1 year deals. If Stude/Houston and Powe don't work out, Pioli could, in theory, have the opportunity to sign them next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pittsie

I understand your point, but I think we're both in agreement that this isn't a SB-contending team, and wouldn't be even with those 2 players. So what's the harm in developing younger talent this year?

Both Franklin and Lawson signed 1 year deals. If Stude/Houston and Powe don't work out, Pioli could, in theory, have the opportunity to sign them next year.

That's true, but I think we are a fringe playoff team.

Now if you have a couple of guys that could be the difference in a 7-9 season or a 9-7 season (which could easily win this division), don't you think another trip to the playoffs would be HUGE for the development of this team?

I don't think we're doing enough to keep this team from slipping backwards. Pioli seems content with conceding that this isn't a SB team and using it as another 'rebuilding' year. That just seems extremely reckless. It also seems like the front office is once again going on the cheap in building this team.

We just got called out by Drew Brees; you don't think that's relevant? We're being mentioned by national media types as one of the teams that created the need for the salary floor; you don't think that hurts our rep among the players? I'm not yelling and screaming that we should've overpaid for Kameron Wimbley or anything stupid like that; but how does getting a player like Lawson for a season pose any real risk? And if he doesn't work out, you sit him and you're out only the cash. Meanwhile if he does work out, you have a huge leg up on the rest of the league next year in extending him.

It's not the roster space either; we have what, 26 people in camp right now?

No matter what the answer is, it's a bad one. It may be money, it may be hubris, it may be that Pioli just mis-read the hell out of the FA market. I just don't like the way this FA period has been handled one bit.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not the roster space either; we have what, 26 people in camp right now?

I could swear the number I heard Friday was 61. Either way, no UFAs they signed would be in camp until tomorrow.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's true, but I think we are a fringe playoff team.

Now if you have a couple of guys that could be the difference in a 7-9 season or a 9-7 season (which could easily win this division), don't you think another trip to the playoffs would be HUGE for the development of this team?

I don't think we're doing enough to keep this team from slipping backwards. Pioli seems content with conceding that this isn't a SB team and using it as another 'rebuilding' year. That just seems extremely reckless. It also seems like the front office is once again going on the cheap in building this team.

We just got called out by Drew Brees; you don't think that's relevant? We're being mentioned by national media types as one of the teams that created the need for the salary floor; you don't think that hurts our rep among the players? I'm not yelling and screaming that we should've overpaid for Kameron Wimbley or anything stupid like that; but how does getting a player like Lawson for a season pose any real risk? And if he doesn't work out, you sit him and you're out only the cash. Meanwhile if he does work out, you have a huge leg up on the rest of the league next year in extending him.

It's not the roster space either; we have what, 26 people in camp right now?

No matter what the answer is, it's a bad one. It may be money, it may be hubris, it may be that Pioli just mis-read the hell out of the FA market. I just don't like the way this FA period has been handled one bit.

The Lawson move is less defensible, as neither Stude or Houston are proven commodities. But Franklin vs. Gregg is a closer call, if for no other reason that Gregg was in demand as a starter and Franklin will be competing for PT with Shaun Rogers.

Now, if Pioli doesn't upgrade off of Thomas Jones, add a swing tackle, and a backup DL (e.g., Jamal Anderson), I'd grade the offseason out as a D.

Regarding Brees' point, the Chiefs were in transition in 2009. Clark Hunt throwing money at the mostly brokedick players listed below wouldn't have significantly improved the team's result . Moreover, it's always easier to recruit FA to teams with superstar QBs that have won a SB.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/...hty-impressive

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pittsie

The Lawson move is less defensible, as neither Stude or Houston are proven commodities. But Franklin vs. Gregg is a closer call, if for no other reason that Gregg was in demand as a starter and Franklin will be competing for PT with Shaun Rogers.

Now, if Pioli doesn't upgrade off of Thomas Jones, add a swing tackle, and a backup DL (e.g., Jamal Anderson), I'd grade the offseason out as a D.

Regarding Brees' point, the Chiefs were in transition in 2009. Clark Hunt throwing money at the mostly brokedick players listed below wouldn't have improved their result significantly. Moreover, it's always easier to recruit FA to teams with superstar QBs that have won a SB.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/...hty-impressive

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Gregg sign for about 1/2 of what Franklin signed for?

Don't you think Franklin would've been in higher demand than Gregg had he gone out there with the same contractual demands as him? Franklin mis-read the market; I think it's more than fair to at least consider the possibility that Pioli did the same. I think both parties overplayed their hands pretty badly.

And you're right to the extent that Pioli didn't really have a lot of options in '09. That said - perception is reality among NFL players. The longer it goes with the Chiefs passing on guys like Lawson and Harris (another really bad miss) with the only outward explanation being $$$, the harder and harder its going to be for them to get guys here without overpaying for them.

A perfect example is in Philly - the Eagles investment in Asomugha paid immediate dividends by improving their reputation among players. Were guys really talking about Philly as some destination franchise before they came out of nowhere and snaked Nnamdi? Suddenly guys like Harris are signing there for less than they could've grabbed elsewhere.

The Chiefs could make the playoffs this season, break through and be on their way. That said, they could also slip back again, further cement that reputation and get closer to being the Royals of the NFL. Pioli has had ample opportunity to make the former more likely than the latter (even incrementally so) and has not done so. That bothers me.