Warren signs with Donks

[kczoo]

Film @ 11

[Mile High Mania]

I think it's a good signing, if he is healthy - then he's far from over the hill and has a few years left. I like the 'mass' they've brought in to help fix the DL and while building through the draft and being young is ideal, it's a good move. It will depend on how they adjust and what Fox does with them.

There's no doubt that he can help, the question is ... what does he have left and can he be healthy all season.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's a signing they had to make. We'll see how it works out. Definately better than the trash Denver signed the last several offseasons on the DL.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

IN PIOLI WE TRUST!!!!

C'mon, Chiefs fans - he's dicked up this FA period. It's really okay to admit it.

A perfect LB for our scheme just signed a 1 year deal. The 'cap killer' NT with significantly more upside than the old guy we just signed also signed a 1 yr deal.

Meanwhile Pioli's going on radio shows and telling us that everything's going to be okay because not everyone has released all the players they're going to release yet.

THANK GOD! THE 55TH MAN ON A BUNCH OF ROSTERS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US SOON!

You cant make shit like this up... I hope to God you are not on the edge of your bed thinking about eating a bullet because we didnt sign this guy?

I trust Pioli more than any moron on this message board to run an NFL franchise... So far its been a good FA period.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

You cant make shit like this up... I hope to God you are not on the edge of your bed thinking about eating a bullet because we didnt sign this guy?

I trust Pioli more than any moron on this message board to run an NFL franchise... So far its been a good FA period.

I wouldn't call it "good".

I am not as unhappy with it as others.

There were some free agents out there that could have improved the quality abd depth of this team, and that could have helped to make the next step, and I'm left scratching my head about the overall lack of activity.

But at the same time, I don't believe there was anyone out there that puts us in the SB this year.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There had to be a reason why nobody wanted Kelly Gregg.

See - I can play that game too.

Lawson would've been an ideal fit for this defense; look at his scouting report, look at his performance in general. He's an absolutely ideal Ted.

And you can just stop talking about Franklin now. You went from beating your chest about how stupid we'd be to give him a long term deal to some nonsensical bleating about how clearly he was a bad signing if he went so cheap. Weren't you also yammering about how he's only a contract year player?

Think maybe a 1-yr deal for a guy like that might get him motivated a bit?

Just keep spinning. Those guys would have both done a hell of a lot of good for our defense. Alas, the cap salary floor doesn't go into effect until 2013 and Clark is his daddy's son.

Be prepared for another 2 years of being the KC Cheaps. Revel in the reputation - we've earned it.

What a joke.

he signed on the morning after FA started. not a great comparison there.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't call it "good".

I am not as unhappy with it as others.

There were some free agents out there that could have improved the quality abd depth of this team, and that could have helped to make the next step, and I'm left scratching my head about the overall lack of activity.

But at the same time, I don't believe there was anyone out there that puts us in the SB this year.

I agree. I'm a little perplexed in terms of depth, but that's about the extent of it. Offensive line is really the only thing I'm worried about right now; looks thin to me on paper.

[Bwana]

Meh

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't call it "good".

I am not as unhappy with it as others.

There were some free agents out there that could have improved the quality abd depth of this team, and that could have helped to make the next step, and I'm left scratching my head about the overall lack of activity.

But at the same time, I don't believe there was anyone out there that puts us in the SB this year.

This. /end thread

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't call it "good".

I am not as unhappy with it as others.

There were some free agents out there that could have improved the quality abd depth of this team, and that could have helped to make the next step, and I'm left scratching my head about the overall lack of activity.

But at the same time, I don't believe there was anyone out there that puts us in the SB this year.

Overall im satisfied so far. It may not be how you or I would have done it, but that doesnt mean its wrong. Theres alot of info that we fans are not privy to. I trust that these guys know what they are doing. I also like the fact they are giving alot of the young guys with question marks (Tyjack, Albert, Richardson, Asomoah, McCluster, releasing etc..) a chance to grow into the job before pushing the "panic" button.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

You cant make shit like this up... I hope to God you are not on the edge of your bed thinking about eating a bullet because we didnt sign this guy?

I trust Pioli more than any moron on this message board to run an NFL franchise... So far its been a good FA period.

Nope, stayed up late watching the Cardinals game, logged on before I went to bed.

This team hasn't taken any real steps towards becoming a legitimate contender. They're still, at best, a 1 and done club.

And if the extent of your insight is to blindly cheer everything Pioli does, why even bother posting on a message board? I'll never understand that line of thought. There are a hell of a lot of people that said the Jackson pick was absurd and they've been a hell of a lot more right than Pioli. Ditto the McCluster and Arenas picks. Granted, Pioli's been right on a handful of picks that folks didn't like as well (Moeaki would probably be the best example). Ultimately, however, you can cite a TON of instances where the collective wisdom on CP was far more accurate than Scott Pioli.

And with the fact that Lawson and Franklin went for virtually nothing, I'm pretty comfortable saying this is one of those times.

It's a complete logical fallicy to say that these guys must suck since nobody went after them. Every single year you see guys on 'make good' deals excel. I seem to remember a chubby nut-grabber of our own being a very strong player for us last season on one of those very same deals. And it also makes your position completely unassailable. Had Franklin or Lawson gone for big money deals over multiple years, Boss Chief and the rest of the nut huggers would've been saying that Pioli was right for not chasing after him. Now that he went for cheap over short years, Pioli was right because clearly the player wasn't in demand.

It's the worst kind of useless double-talk; it's rear-view mirror rationalizing that runs completely opposed to what he was saying just a few days ago in regards to these very same players.

That kind of 'defense', such as it is, makes it quite apparent that those individuals were going to look for ways to support Pioli's decision, no matter what it was. When you switch horses mid-stream that easily, it's pretty apparent you never really had a position to begin with.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There had to be a reason why nobody wanted Kelly Gregg.

See - I can play that game too.

Lawson would've been an ideal fit for this defense; look at his scouting report, look at his performance in general. He's an absolutely ideal Ted.

And you can just stop talking about Franklin now. You went from beating your chest about how stupid we'd be to give him a long term deal to some nonsensical bleating about how clearly he was a bad signing if he went so cheap. Weren't you also yammering about how he's only a contract year player?

Think maybe a 1-yr deal for a guy like that might get him motivated a bit?

Just keep spinning. Those guys would have both done a hell of a lot of good for our defense. Alas, the cap salary floor doesn't go into effect until 2013 and Clark is his daddy's son.

Be prepared for another 2 years of being the KC Cheaps. Revel in the reputation - we've earned it.

What a joke.

I understand your point, but I think we're both in agreement that this isn't a SB-contending team, and wouldn't be even with those 2 players. So what's the harm in developing younger talent this year?

Both Franklin and Lawson signed 1 year deals. If Stude/Houston and Powe don't work out, Pioli could, in theory, have the opportunity to sign them next year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pittsie

I understand your point, but I think we're both in agreement that this isn't a SB-contending team, and wouldn't be even with those 2 players. So what's the harm in developing younger talent this year?

Both Franklin and Lawson signed 1 year deals. If Stude/Houston and Powe don't work out, Pioli could, in theory, have the opportunity to sign them next year.

That's true, but I think we are a fringe playoff team.

Now if you have a couple of guys that could be the difference in a 7-9 season or a 9-7 season (which could easily win this division), don't you think another trip to the playoffs would be HUGE for the development of this team?

I don't think we're doing enough to keep this team from slipping backwards. Pioli seems content with conceding that this isn't a SB team and using it as another 'rebuilding' year. That just seems extremely reckless. It also seems like the front office is once again going on the cheap in building this team.

We just got called out by Drew Brees; you don't think that's relevant? We're being mentioned by national media types as one of the teams that created the need for the salary floor; you don't think that hurts our rep among the players? I'm not yelling and screaming that we should've overpaid for Kameron Wimbley or anything stupid like that; but how does getting a player like Lawson for a season pose any real risk? And if he doesn't work out, you sit him and you're out only the cash. Meanwhile if he does work out, you have a huge leg up on the rest of the league next year in extending him.

It's not the roster space either; we have what, 26 people in camp right now?

No matter what the answer is, it's a bad one. It may be money, it may be hubris, it may be that Pioli just mis-read the hell out of the FA market. I just don't like the way this FA period has been handled one bit.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not the roster space either; we have what, 26 people in camp right now?

I could swear the number I heard Friday was 61. Either way, no UFAs they signed would be in camp until tomorrow.

[ToxSocks]

Very disappointing. I am very concerned about our D-Line.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's true, but I think we are a fringe playoff team.

Now if you have a couple of guys that could be the difference in a 7-9 season or a 9-7 season (which could easily win this division), don't you think another trip to the playoffs would be HUGE for the development of this team?

I don't think we're doing enough to keep this team from slipping backwards. Pioli seems content with conceding that this isn't a SB team and using it as another 'rebuilding' year. That just seems extremely reckless. It also seems like the front office is once again going on the cheap in building this team.

We just got called out by Drew Brees; you don't think that's relevant? We're being mentioned by national media types as one of the teams that created the need for the salary floor; you don't think that hurts our rep among the players? I'm not yelling and screaming that we should've overpaid for Kameron Wimbley or anything stupid like that; but how does getting a player like Lawson for a season pose any real risk? And if he doesn't work out, you sit him and you're out only the cash. Meanwhile if he does work out, you have a huge leg up on the rest of the league next year in extending him.

It's not the roster space either; we have what, 26 people in camp right now?

No matter what the answer is, it's a bad one. It may be money, it may be hubris, it may be that Pioli just mis-read the hell out of the FA market. I just don't like the way this FA period has been handled one bit.

The Lawson move is less defensible, as neither Stude or Houston are proven commodities. But Franklin vs. Gregg is a closer call, if for no other reason that Gregg was in demand as a starter and Franklin will be competing for PT with Shaun Rogers.

Now, if Pioli doesn't upgrade off of Thomas Jones, add a swing tackle, and a backup DL (e.g., Jamal Anderson), I'd grade the offseason out as a D.

Regarding Brees' point, the Chiefs were in transition in 2009. Clark Hunt throwing money at the mostly brokedick players listed below wouldn't have significantly improved the team's result . Moreover, it's always easier to recruit FA to teams with superstar QBs that have won a SB.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/...hty-impressive