Warren signs with Donks

[kczoo]

Film @ 11

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's one piss-poor bar to set, is it not? Vrabel or Stude is a false choice; the market left a bunch of other available options for us. Do you believe Stude/Sheffield/Houston could approach Lawson's talent on the field? And Lawson's been known as a good character guy in his own right.

If we get Roth, I'll be less frustrated by this offseason in that it will suggest that the Chiefs determined that Lawson just wasn't as good a fit as Roth. But I don't see anything to suggest we'll get Roth. I fully expect him to sign a 1 year deal for less than $3 million somewhere and we'll run 'the kids' out there and likely lose a game on account of it.

Sheffield and Houston both could I think, but it's not going to be an instant gratification thing with either one.

I'm hoping Sheffield ends up being the surprise player out of camp, which he was on his way to being last year before his neck injury.

[durtyrute]

UCKIN DONKS

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

Why did he make so much more sense there? Because he was a vet? If Houston is coming in, I'd rather have him. Do people forget that Houston was supposed to be a 1st round pick?

Because Lawson was a first round pick himself, was considered a highly effective pass rusher (if underutilized), a plus coverage backer and was very very strong at sealing off the edge in the rushing game - essentially the perfect player for the Ted backer position. Not to mention the fact that Lawson also has phenomenal measurables for the role.

I don't care that Houston was 'supposed' to be a first rounder - Lawson was one and has been a proven player at the NFL level. He's also still a young veteran player that could've provided very good leadership to a guy like Stude or Houston while not being a broke-dick like Vrabel.

And again - if he doesn't work out, you cut his ass. The downside to taking Lawson in on a 1 yr deal was precisely zero. He was a great fit for the defense w/ a reasonable pricetag (and a very reasonable length). Not getting him is pretty shitty.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because Lawson was a first round pick himself, was considered a highly effective pass rusher (if underutilized), a plus coverage backer and was very very strong at sealing off the edge in the rushing game - essentially the perfect player for the Ted backer position. Not to mention the fact that Lawson also has phenomenal measurables for the role.

I don't care that Houston was 'supposed' to be a first rounder - Lawson was one and has been a proven player at the NFL level. He's also still a young veteran player that could've provided very good leadership to a guy like Stude or Houston while not being a broke-dick like Vrabel.

And again - if he doesn't work out, you cut his ass. The downside to taking Lawson in on a 1 yr deal was precisely zero. He was a great fit for the defense w/ a reasonable pricetag (and a very reasonable length). Not getting him is pretty shitty.

obviously they didnt feel like you do here.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Harbaugh from the Ravens publicly said they wanted Gregg back and had an offer on the table for him...but we outbid them for his services.

The Jets also had an offer on the table that Harbaugh was aware of that he referenced...thats two playoff teams with superbowl aspirations.

I think Lawson would have been a good signing as strictly a player...but nobody here knows why NOBODY wanted him and he was forced to take a lowball deal from a lowball franchise....all Im saying is there is OBVIOUSLY something out there that made teams stay away. Not sure why you got mad about that, but whatever...I guess some here get a little too emotionally invested into disliking Pioli and falling in love with their own takes on players.

That whole paragraph about Franklin is crap. NFL teams obviously dont agree with you on this, not just poor old Pioli and his cheapass handler.

You are right though, I will stop talking about Franklin now....he only got a 1 year deal from a 4-3 team...even when other guys like Barry Coefield got big money long term contracts with 3-4 teams. FTR he was on a 1 year deal last year when he shit the bed...a one year deal worth almost 8 million dollars and if he showed up and proved he was worth it, he might have made 50 million on a long term contract with the Redskins....he didnt and he had to settle for another year of "prove it"

Lamar Hunt pushed the salary cap limit almost every year.

Nice job pissing on his grave though.

classy

btw- did you notice Franklin was absent the final half of that 9er game? He was pulled? Might have raised hell and contributed to coach's firing? Not that I wouldn't fire him. Hell, I would have found a guy to replace him at the end of the previous year. Singletary was a great on the field, but I don't see how anyone could think he was going to pull off HC. Not a good communicator at all and can't handle the entertainment side of pro football.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

obviously they didnt feel like you do here.

Or they didn't feel like paying for him. Or maybe they did and Pioli failed to get it done.

Given his size, speed and performance to date; the latter possibilities certainly seem more likely.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Or they didn't feel like paying for him. Or maybe they did and Pioli failed to get it done.

Given his size, speed and performance to date; the latter possibilities certainly seem more likely.

i guess you can look at it like that. i will look at it the other way.

i'm willing to bet that they would bring a guy in that would be a good fit and a good upgrade.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

So, everyone wanted Powe and Houston, but want to sign guys that would pretty much bury them on the depth chart...ok.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by PGM

So, everyone wanted Powe and Houston, but want to sign guys that would pretty much bury them on the depth chart...ok.

umm ... Powe is probably going to take a year or two before he's ready.

Houston hasn't sign yet and is missing out on the coaching that could get him ready for early play.

so what's your problem again?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Laz

umm ... Powe is probably going to take a year or two before he's ready.

Houston hasn't sign yet and is missing out on the coaching that could get him ready for early play.

so what's your problem again?

Platooning with a vet like Gregg is probably ideal for Powe. He'll get PT without being forced to do too much.

I have no idea why Houston hasn't signed, but he'll have a similar issue when he does sign. Studebaker will start, but he'll gain valuable experience without being rushed.

So what's your problem again?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by PGM

Platooning with a vet like Gregg is probably ideal for Powe. He'll get PT without being forced to do too much.

I have no idea why Houston hasn't signed, but he'll have a similar issue when he does sign. Studebaker will start, but he'll gain valuable experience without being rushed.

So what's your problem again?

you're the one who was yelling at people about wanting to sign players that push Houston/Powe down the depth chart, not me.

glad you've changed your mind

[vailpass]

At least they are addressing the position. Could be a good move. It's a start but far from the end.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Laz

you're the one who was yelling at people about wanting to sign players that push Houston/Powe down the depth chart, not me.

glad you've changed your mind

Huh? I'm fine with the positions the way they are now. I don't see the need to add any more players at those 2 positions this year. No problem with them playing complimentary roles this season, but signing a guy like Lawson doesn't leave much PT for Houston this year. Got it?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because Lawson was a first round pick himself, was considered a highly effective pass rusher (if underutilized), a plus coverage backer and was very very strong at sealing off the edge in the rushing game - essentially the perfect player for the Ted backer position. Not to mention the fact that Lawson also has phenomenal measurables for the role.

I don't care that Houston was 'supposed' to be a first rounder - Lawson was one and has been a proven player at the NFL level. He's also still a young veteran player that could've provided very good leadership to a guy like Stude or Houston while not being a broke-dick like Vrabel.

And again - if he doesn't work out, you cut his ass. The downside to taking Lawson in on a 1 yr deal was precisely zero. He was a great fit for the defense w/ a reasonable pricetag (and a very reasonable length). Not getting him is pretty shitty.

Manny lawson is considered a below average type of pass rusher, who's good in coverage.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Laz

umm ... Powe is probably going to take a year or two before he's ready.

Houston hasn't sign yet and is missing out on the coaching that could get him ready for early play.

so what's your problem again?

Evidently drafting a player means that you intend to start them from day 1.

I absolutely loved both the Powe and Houston pickups - that doesn't mean for a second that we should've counted on them to be day 1 starters (Houston) or prime rotational players (Powe). Both of them will very likely take some time to develop.

Lawson could've done a TON to ease that transitional period.