Chiefs PFF Grades the Chiefs, Week 9

Hammock Parties · 11-08-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

Has Haley ever beaten a competent team with a strong showing besides the Pitt game in 09?

No, unless you count the MNF Chargers game.

The credibility of this entire regime is based on beating bad football teams and taking advantage of lousy QBs.

O.city · 11-08-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

No, unless you count the MNF Chargers game.

The credibility of this entire regime is based on beating bad football teams and taking advantage of lousy QBs.

Totally agree with you here. However you aren't going to beat good football teams alot in this league with a qb that can't carry you. I know this has been beat to death but it's really all that needs to be said.

Iconic · 11-08-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Totally agree with you here. However you aren't going to beat good football teams alot in this league with a qb that can't carry you. I know this has been beat to death but it's really all that needs to be said.

See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.

O.city · 11-08-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.

How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-08-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

O.city · 11-08-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

Not with Alex Smith at qb. Sorry but I just don't think we will see a team win a superbowl again without an elite qb.

And I think the Bengals are this years Chiefs. They haven't beaten anyone yet either.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-08-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

O.city · 11-08-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

Bingo. They run the ball, play good d, and tell the qb not to **** up too bad. Remind you of anything?

**The Bad Guy** · 11-08-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

I think they are a dangerous team. I could be very wrong, but I think their coaching takes them far.

Iconic · 11-08-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamaal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

O.city · 11-08-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

I agree with you man about the guys we have on offense. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. We just don't have the qb and that's really all that matters.

Iconic · 11-08-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I agree with you man about the guys we have on offense. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. We just don't have the qb and that's really all that matters.

If a QB is all that matters then the 08 Pats would have lost every single game because they had the same guy under center that we have now.

aturnis · 11-09-2011, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

First of all, the the only teams you mentioned the Niners beating that even looks remotely impressive are the Lions and the Bengals, and they're playing a rookie QB. The rest have had Incredibly underwhelming season to this point. Also, the Pats won 11 games that year against a very soft schedule despite Cassel, who look ehhh with a WR corps that had been the most prolific in the history of the game just the year before. Cassel did the same there as he does here.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-09-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

First of all, the the only teams you mentioned the Niners beating that even looks remotely impressive are the Lions and the Bengals, and they're playing a rookie QB. The rest have had Incredibly underwhelming season to this point. Also, the Pats won 11 games that year against a very soft schedule despite Cassel, who look ehhh with a WR corps that had been the most prolific in the history of the game just the year before. Cassel did the same there as he does here.

Philly is a very talented team that's difficult to play across the country.

Beating Tampa 34-0 is impressive.

Winning all your games on the road, when they've had to travel across the country for most of them is impressive.

Nightfyre · 11-08-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.

Right... see Josh McDaniels with the Rams in 2011... Oh wait, this anecdotal evidence doesn't support your theory. Seriously, the evidence suggests that the franchise QB is more important than coaching. Quit talking out of your asshole please and thanks.