I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The responsibility of the HC is to hire a capable staff. Haley needs to go simply based on the fact that he can't get along with anyone offensively.

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.

Haley ran off Weis, a competent coordinator. Haley couldn't work with Gailey. I don't think that Gailey had any ties to Pioli, though I could be wrong.

Haley has picked a yes man to be his coordinator. That doesn't seem like Pioli's handpicked guy.

I think Haley has to grow up a little and be confident enough to work with other competent coaches.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Haley ran off Weis, a competent coordinator. Haley couldn't work with Gailey. I don't think that Gailey had any ties to Pioli, though I could be wrong.

Haley has picked a yes man to be his coordinator. That doesn't seem like Pioli's handpicked guy.

I think Haley has to grow up a little and be confident enough to work with other competent coaches.

Weis LEFT. How many times does that have to be said? Weis went to coach his son and look how that turned out.

Haley should have never had to work with Gailey AT ALL. The whole coaching staff should have been gone, period. Clark Hunt asked Haley to give Gailey a chance and he did. Haley should have told Hunt no and been done with it. As it is, Haley takes the bullet for Hunt's loyalty to stupidity.

I think Haley needs to be fired.

That way we can bring in Josh McDaniels to hold Cassel's hand AGAIN and he can fail, AGAIN.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Weis LEFT. How many times does that have to be said? Weis went to coach his son and look how that turned out.

Haley should have never had to work with Gailey AT ALL. The whole coaching staff should have been gone, period. Clark Hunt asked Haley to give Gailey a chance and he did. Haley should have told Hunt no and been done with it. As it is, Haley takes the bullet for Hunt's loyalty to stupidity.

I think Haley needs to be fired.

That way we can bring in Josh McDaniels to hold Cassel's hand AGAIN and he can fail, AGAIN.

Weis' son is an undergrad waterboy on the team. Weis isn't coaching him. Weis and Haley couldn't co-exist because they both have brash, f you personalities.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Weis' son is an undergrad waterboy on the team. Weis isn't coaching him. Weis and Haley couldn't co-exist because they both have brash, f you personalities.

Weis' son is angling for a Graduate position which generally means coaching opportunities in the future. Weis himself said that's why he was leaving.

We both know about the personalities. But to say that Haley "ran him off" is speculation and that's it.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Weis' son is angling for a Graduate position which generally means coaching opportunities in the future. Weis himself said that's why he was leaving.

We both know about the personalities. But to say that Haley "ran him off" is speculation and that's it.

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Laz

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

Except that Weis said that he was leaving to go be with his son. I guess the guy is a liar...

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Laz

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

Except for that's what he said multiple times. In fact he refuted the claim that his relationship with Haley was his reason for leaving. You can choose not to believe him but that's far more speculative than believing one of the few people who had any first hand knowledge of the situation.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Laz

saying that Weis took a 5 million dollar pay cut to go work with his son is JUST as speculative ... if not more so.

This son stuff at florida is just something people say to try and make themselves feel better about Haley.

It's not like Weis doesn't have money. It wouldn't be unheard of for Weis to quit and go work with his son. The guy values family more than anything.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.

This. Pioli wants his head coach to fit a certain role on the team. If Haley began coaching as an "OC-first" head coach, things might have been different.

Some HC's are game-planners/managers (think Marty). Others are coordinators that hire other coaches that excel as planners/managers (think McCarthy). Still others are team-assemblers that manage the pieces, but are generally hands off (think Vermeil). Each type has won championships.

It seems to me that Pioli wants Haley to be the first type...because that seems to fit the Parcells/Belichick mold. This is wrong-headed. Haley should be calling plays with a staff that can competently game-plan and manage. If Mellinger is correct, I hope last night is the beginning of the end of Muir as OC.

IMO, the biggest cause for Haley's deficiencies in his first year while calling the plays was that he was also expected to game plan/manage the team as well...with a below-average QB while also installing a post-Gailey offense. This entire approach to what a HC should do has never played to Haley's strengths, IMO.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

This. Pioli wants his head coach to fit a certain role on the team. If Haley began coaching as an "OC-first" head coach, things might have been different.

Some HC's are game-planners/managers (think Marty). Others are coordinators that hire other coaches that excel as planners/managers (think McCarthy). Still others are team-assemblers that manage the pieces, but are generally hands off (think Vermeil). Each type has won championships.

It seems to me that Pioli wants Haley to be the first type...because that seems to fit the Parcells/Belichick mold. This is wrong-headed. Haley should be calling plays with a staff that can competently game-plan and manage. If Mellinger is correct, I hope last night is the beginning of the end of Muir as OC.

IMO, the biggest cause for Haley's deficiencies in his first year while calling the plays was that he was also expected to game plan/manage the team as well...with a below-average QB while also installing a post-Gailey offense. This entire approach to what a HC should do has never played to Haley's strengths, IMO.

I honestly think last year's "success" was more about Weis' HEAD COACHING experience than about Weis' playcalling "genious".

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I honestly think last year's "success" was more about Weis' HEAD COACHING experience than about Weis' playcalling "genious".

Probably. Or the fact that Haley had some competent game planning/managing coordinators that worked well together. Personally, I don't think we see a dropoff with Haley as OC. But we lose any advantage we have with Haley as OC if he's expected to game plan the whole team. That's simply not his strength. He played the role ADEQUATELY last year and was exposed in the playoffs (not that Cassell wasn't a huge part of that as well).

This team needs a solid group of planners/managers on the coaching staff (not Muir types!) that allow Haley to lead from his strengths as OC and motivator. If Haley truly has 100% control of coach hiring, then that's on him. I suspect Pioli has more control than what's reported.