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**bevischief** · 11-30-2011, 09:29 AM

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What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST

From the FanPosts -Joel

As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III.

However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy.

Star-divide
Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin.

So what's the problem? There are several:

1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck.

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF?

3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one.

4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged.

5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity.

6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else.

7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm.

So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects.

Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.

Chiefnj2 · 11-30-2011, 10:29 PM

You do what you have to do to get RGIII. After Luck and Griffin, it's a bunch of average, Barkley included.

**BossChief** · 11-30-2011, 10:29 PM

Shit, just about every single one of these guys' pets have been EPIC FAILS

Mike Brown
Tyler Palko
Mike Vrabel
Leonard Pope
Anthony Becht
Matt Cassel
Jereme Urban

milkman · 11-30-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

Learn something new every day.

We passed on John Elway.

I didn't know that we drafted ahead of the first overall pick.

JCharles1981 · 11-30-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Learn something new every day.

We passed on John Elway.

I didn't know that we drafted ahead of the first overall pick.

Whoops! My bad

.

Frankie · 11-30-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. ....

John Elway was the first pick of the draft. We didn't pick first.

Also in 1979 we maneuvered to get ahead of the 49ers to get Clemson QB Steve Fuller whom they coveted. The had to settle in the 3rd round (the end of 3rd actually) for this QB named Joe Montana. Not quite a 6th rounder like Brady, but many teams passed on Montana.

Frankie · 11-30-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

Will the next owner have the Hunts' loyalty to KC not to move the team?

Epic Fail 007 · 11-30-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Clark wrote those checks, dumbass.

Cassel is Pioli's pet.

wtf are u talking about?i never said he did not right the checks,and whats with the hate no reason call me a dumbass,ASSHOLE F OFF

**Bugeater** · 11-30-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

wtf are u talking about?i never said he did not right the checks,and whats with the hate no reason call me a dumbass,ASSHOLE F OFF

Weren't you supposed to shoot yourself in the face?

milkman · 11-30-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

wtf are u talking about?i never said he did not right the checks,and whats with the hate no reason call me a dumbass,ASSHOLE F OFF

No reason at all to call you a dumbass.

Well, except for the fact that you're are an illiterate who posts dumbassery.

But other than that, no reason at all.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-30-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I don't think the Chiefs have the staff necessary to develop a QB. Zorn is overrated, Flacco is meh and Jason Campbell is shit.

What a load of dog shit this post is, again.

Like it takes some ****ing rocket scientist to develop a franchise QB. You really think that Mike Mularkey developed Matt Ryan? You probably couldn't name the QB coaches that Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers have had either.

**BossChief** · 11-30-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No reason at all to call you a dumbass.

Well, except for the fact that you're are an illiterate who posts dumbassery.

But other than that, no reason at all.

He has probably read this post 10 times and still doesn't understand what's going on.

rico · 11-30-2011, 11:17 PM

To the older fans on here: What was the fan reaction when the Chiefs selected Todd Blackledge? Were the hopes generally high? Were there people speculating that he would be a major bust? How did people feel about the pick before Blackledge blacked out?

**BossChief** · 11-30-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoswaff

To the older fans on here: What was the fan reaction when the Chiefs selected Todd Blackledge? Were the hopes generally high? Were there people speculating that he would be a major bust? How did people feel about the pick before Blackledge blacked out?

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Frankie · 11-30-2011, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricoswaff

To the older fans on here: What was the fan reaction when the Chiefs selected Todd Blackledge? Were the hopes generally high? Were there people speculating that he would be a major bust? How did people feel about the pick before Blackledge blacked out?

I don't know about others, but I was terribly bummed.

I wanted nothing to do with Blackledge. With no chance at Elway I wanted Jim Kelly or Tony Eason. Marino had a bad senior season so it was a red flag for me.

Madden's mock predicted the Chiefs to pick Blackledge and I get a feeling that was good enough for the Chiefs front office. I'm still hurting about that pick, bypassing Kelly, Eason, and (in retrospect) Marino.

Urc Burry · 12-01-2011, 12:16 AM

Really there is no other position to even consider where we are picking. Although I wouldn't be upset if Kalil slipped to us, even though I'm fine with Albert at LT. Also I'm very high on Trent Richardson. I think he will surpass AP's career. Burfict may of been in the conversation in Belchers spot but I think its safe to say hes ****ed that up this season.

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bevischief .... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Kansas Casino cash: $7729352 VARSITY	What If The QBOTF Isn't There? http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/1...here#storyjump What If The QBOTF Isn't There? 1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST From the FanPosts -Joel As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III. However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy. Star-divide Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin. So what's the problem? There are several: 1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck. 2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF? 3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one. 4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged. 5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity. 6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else. 7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm. So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects. Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.
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Urc Burry Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Casino cash: $8621048	Really there is no other position to even consider where we are picking. Although I wouldn't be upset if Kalil slipped to us, even though I'm fine with Albert at LT. Also I'm very high on Trent Richardson. I think he will surpass AP's career. Burfict may of been in the conversation in Belchers spot but I think its safe to say hes ****ed that up this season.
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