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**bevischief** · 11-30-2011, 09:29 AM

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What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST

From the FanPosts -Joel

As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III.

However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy.

Star-divide
Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin.

So what's the problem? There are several:

1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck.

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF?

3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one.

4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged.

5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity.

6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else.

7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm.

So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects.

Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.

Bewbies · 12-02-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're not going to see them in the backfield. Get used to it.

Especially when Kelly Gregg is so bad that they're double-teaming TYSON JACKSON.

There was one play where I saw them double BOTH ends and block Gregg with the RB...

So much fail...can't bear it...

When you're the highest paid GM in football you can build a champion without a QB on offense or a NT on defense. Duh.

**MahiMike** · 12-02-2011, 10:35 AM

Frankie · 12-02-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're not going to see them in the backfield. Get used to it.

Especially when Kelly Gregg is so bad that they're double-teaming TYSON JACKSON.

There was one play where I saw them double BOTH ends and block Gregg with the RB...

I understand your point. And TyJax may very well end up a usable DE for us. But Dorsey, it's increasingly obvious, is a square peg we are trying to fit in a round hole. I don't accept the 4th or 5th round trade worth for him. I think he'll be more valuable than that to a 4-3 team.

Hydrae · 12-02-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ricoswaff

A lot of preferences seem to be based on which games people watched. When I watched Baylor the couple times I did this year combined with the highlights, RG3 was spot on. However, I don't doubt for a second that both of you have seen him in games where he played sloppy and overthrew receivers... there wouldn't be any reason to make that up. It makes me wish I had the time and access to watch every one of the games played by these potential franchise QB's so I could form more of an accurate opinion.

For some reason, I keep thinking there is a sleeper pick in there that may succeed moreso than these other prospects.

I don't know what it is about Landry Jones that reminds me of Cassel... his mechanics, his release, I don't know... but I got a sick feeling in my gut when I first watched the guy play because my first thought was, Cassel. Haha, how sad is that? Mere flashes of Cassel in another player can give Chief fans a sick feeling in their guts. To Landry's defense though, I didn't see him pull the infamous Cassel-crappage when he was under pressure.

This is what scares me the most. Pioli deciding he knows better than everyone else and going in a completely unexpected direction (TJ anyone?) and we wind up with someone who can't beat out Cassel.

Nightfyre · 12-05-2011, 02:37 PM

So, it occured to me... You could do some awesome things, schematically speaking, with Coples as a 3-4 DE.

lcarus · 12-05-2011, 02:44 PM

Oh...it's there.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 04:26 PM

Love this cover.

Frankie · 12-08-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Love this cover.

Why?

O.city · 12-08-2011, 10:35 PM

My god I'm tired of shit trash at qb in KC. I'd almost be onboard with trading Bowe, all draft picks, whatever I had to to the Colts to get Luck.

KCrockaholic · 12-08-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

My god I'm tired of shit trash at qb in KC. I'd almost be onboard with trading Bowe, all draft picks, whatever I had to to the Colts to get Luck.

I'm all against trading Bowe to move up for guys like Barkley, and Griffin. But I'd have no problem trading Bowe if it meant we could have Luck.

KCrockaholic · 12-08-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Love this cover.

Umm...

NEITHER!

Frankie · 12-08-2011, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Why?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Umm...

NEITHER!

That's what I mean. Clay hates Pioli/Haley/Cassel so much he'd like us to burn everything and start all over on a new 30 year plan AGAIN.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

That's what I mean. Clay hates Pioli/Haley/Cassel so much he'd like us to burn everything and start all over on a new 30 year plan AGAIN.

Dumping Haley and Cassel isn't starting over.

We will need to start over if Pioli blows the final two years of his contract, though.

Hard facts of life in the NFL.

Frankie · 12-08-2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega

Dumping Haley and Cassel isn't starting over.

Replacing Cassel = (+)

Dumping Haley = (-)

**RealSNR** · 12-08-2011, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Replacing Cassel = (+)

Dumping Haley = (-)

Link?

11-30-2011, 09:29 AM
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