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View Poll Results: Multi-Part Poll. Pick one from each set of choices. Then discuss.
**** Part 1. Player relationships. 5 7.46%
Coach is a "player's coach". 13 19.40%
Coach is an X’s and O’s coach and not a “player’s coach” 48 71.64%
**** Part 2. Personnel power 4 5.97%
Coach is also GM 6 8.96%
Coach and GM are separate 55 82.09%
**** Part 3. Playing history 4 5.97%
Coach played in the NFL as a star 7 10.45%
Coach played in the NFL as a fringe player 42 62.69%
Coach never played in the NFL 12 17.91%
**** Part 4. Super Bowl history 3 4.48%
Coach has a Super Bowl ring as a head coach 15 22.39%
Coach has a Super Bowl ring as a coordinator 31 46.27%
Coach has a Super Bowl ring as an assistant (non-coordinator) 19 28.36%
Coach has not been involved as a coach in a Super Bowl 11 16.42%
**** Part 5. Coaching pedigree 5 7.46%
Coach comes from the Belichick tree 6 8.96%
Coach comes from the Schottenheimer tree 7 10.45%
Coach comes from the Parcells tree 4 5.97%
Coach comes from the Walsh tree 3 4.48%
Coach comes from the Jimmy Johnson tree 3 4.48%
Coach comes from the tree of some other Super Bowl winning coach in the past decade 17 25.37%
Coach does not come from any of the dynasty trees. 31 46.27%
**** Part 6. NFL Coaching experience 4 5.97%
Coach has been a previous NFL head coach 20 29.85%
Coach has been an NFL coordinator, but not head coach 39 58.21%
Coach has been a college head coach, but no NFL experience 10 14.93%
Coach has been a college coordinator, but no NFL or head coach experience 2 2.99%
**** Part 7. Offense vs. Defense 4 5.97%
Coach came up as an offensive guy 39 58.21%
Coach came up as a defensive guy 21 31.34%
**** Part 8. Sustainability vs. Turnaround 4 5.97%
Coach has a stronger lifetime W-L record 40 59.70%
Coach has a less strong W-L record, but has a record of turning around bad teams 19 28.36%
**** Part 9. Skills vs. Systems 4 5.97%
Coach is known for development of fundamental skills in players more than innovative systems 37 55.22%
Coach is known for developing innovative systems over developing fundamental skills 22 32.84%
**** Part 10. Best player available vs. Cohesive system 5 7.46%
Coach drafts/acquires best available players even if they’re not a fit for his current system. 35 52.24%
Coach drafts/acquires players who best fit a system that he puts into place even if they’re not the best raw players 24 35.82%
**** Part 11. Personality 4 5.97%
Coach is fiery, rough, and demonstrative 22 32.84%
Coach is cool, sophisticated, and cerebral 37 55.22%
**** Part 12. Risk-Taking 4 5.97%
Coach is, if anything, too bold for his own good. 53 79.10%
Coach is, if anything, too conservative for his own good. 2 2.99%
**** Part 13. Coach timeline 4 5.97%
Coach should have 1-2 years to turn this baby around 21 31.34%
Coach should have 3-4 years to turn this baby around 37 55.22%
I plan to write to NASA about that whole tiny astronaut thing. 8 11.94%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:16 PM   #11
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How many super bowl winning coaches have gone on to coach another team? How many years did those coaches continue to coach without a championship? How many years do non-superbowl-winning coaches have to coach, on average, before winning their first championship?

The idea that we shouldn't hire a coach who already has a superbowl because there have never been any to repeat with another team is flawed, IMO, because of the small sample size.
Seiffert was coach of the Panthers for 3 years and didn't get another job because the last year he was there they won 1 game. Jimmy Johnson spent 4 years with the Dolphins and quit after his team was beaten 62-7 by Jax in the playoffs. Mike Ditka and Hank Stram both went to the Saints and burned hard there after 2 and 3 seasons respectively. Ditka pretty much burned bridges after trading his entire draft for Ricky Williams. Tom Flores spent three seasons with the Seahawks. Joe Gibbs proved you can't go home again with the Redskins after 4 seasons. Bill Parcelles had stints with the Patriots, Jets and Cowboys getting back to the Super Bowl but losing, a total of 11 seasons. Mike Holmgren spent 9 seasons with the Seahawks, losing in SB XL. Shanahan has spent the last 2 seasons destroying the Redskins. Don McCafferty was fired after refusing to bench Unitas and spent one season with the Lions where he died of a heart attack after his first season. Vince Lombardi had 2 seasons with the Redskins, one as GM and the other as coach before succumbing to cancer.

You don't think that is enough? Prior to the Super Bowl era, Weeb Ewbank is the only coach to win championships with two different teams. That's about 90 years of history.

Coaches generally win their first Super Bowl within five years of being with their team. Noll, Coughlin and Cowher would be the exceptions there.
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