Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites?

[milkman]

So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads.

In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing.

Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Oakland won that game in the trenches...their DL DOMINATED our OL all game.

Then explain why their offense did jack sh*t against the Chiefs' defense then?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Fisher has finished 8-8 or worse ten times.

He's had 6 winning seasons.

There was nothing consistent about his teams. They go 12-4 one season, then 6-10 the next. We must really LOVE Denver because we apparently want a clone of their head coach.

Here is what Fisher did when he had consistent QB play:



That is McNair's prime right there. After 2003 he started to fall off, got hurt, etc.

Then the Titans were forced to draft Vince Young by their meddlesome owner and shit went south.

Once they recovered from that, Fisher got them back to the playoffs with a different QB, but Collins wasn't taking that team anywhere. If Fisher had drafted Jay Cutler like he wanted to, maybe that team does something.

If we had the right QB here with Fisher, I think we would be a serious contender.

[BossChief]

I would rather have us hire Romeo Crennel than hire Jeff Fisher.

It took a miracle and a blown call for his team to have ever even gotten to the superbowl.

Other than that, he was a poor mans Marty Schottenheimer.

You know who I think would be a fantastic hire (if he wasnt old as dirt)?

Dick Vermiel.

Think of Vermiels offense with this defense to back it up.

I bet Dick could make Stanzi a rockstar...a 23 year old Trent Green would be nice to have.

[jd1020]

The one thing I like about Fisher is that he's a defensive minded coach.

A defensive coach and a QB is the way to go, imo. How much meaningful coaching do you think the Patriots, Packers, and Saints offense is getting?

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by Omega

If Fisher had drafted Jay Cutler like he wanted to, maybe that team does something.

What has Jay Cutler done so far in the NFL? He got cut from the Broncos after 2 or 3 seasons, and got injured halfway through this season while with the Bears. If Fisher can't succeed with guys like Vince Young or Steve McNair, then Jay Cutler wouldn't have faired much better.

[Hammock Parties]

Do you realize who knocked Fisher out of the playoffs during McNair's prime:

1999 - The Super Bowl champs (STL)
2000 - The Super Bowl champs (BAL)
2002 - The Super Bowl runner up (OAK)
2003 - The Super Bowl bowl champs (NE)

If Jeff Fisher doesn't run into:

1. The greatest offense of all time
2. The greatest defense of all time
3. The greatest QB of all time

He probably wins a SB already.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Then explain why their offense did jack sh*t against the Chiefs' defense then?

Originally Posted by Omega

Do you realize who knocked Fisher out of the playoffs during McNair's prime:

1999 - The Super Bowl champs (STL)
2000 - The Super Bowl champs (BAL)
2002 - The Super Bowl runner up (OAK)
2003 - The Super Bowl bowl champs (NE)

If Jeff Fisher doesn't run into:

1. The greatest offense of all time
2. The greatest defense of all time
3. The greatest QB of all time

He probably wins a SB already.

you could probably say the same thing about Marty and Marty never had a quarterback worth a shit like Fisher had.

Should we bring back Marty?

[Hammock Parties]

It's not even like McNair was that great of a QB.

He basically had three good seasons his entire career.

Give Fisher someone like Brees, Rivers or Roethlisberger and watch the magic happen.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

you could probably say the same thing about Marty and Marty never had a quarterback worth a shit like Fisher had.

Should we bring back Marty?

If Marty had not been fired he probably wins a SB with Rivers.

I mean think about it...a Marty team with the #1 offense.

AJ Smith is a reerun.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Omega

It's not even like McNair was that great of a QB.

He basically had three good seasons his entire career.

Give Fisher someone like Brees, Rivers or Roethlisberger and watch the magic happen.

God.

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[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You know who I think would be a fantastic hire (if he wasnt old as dirt)?

Dick Vermiel.

Think of Vermiels offense with this defense (Romeo Crennel) to back it up.

I bet Dick could make Stanzi a rockstar...a 23 year old Trent Green would be nice to have.

I have to respectfully disagree. The Chiefs have been blown out 5 times this year, and it wasn't all the offense's fault. If the defense were at the top of their game during all 5 of those same games, I imagine they would have only lost by a couple of TD's. Crennel still has some kinks to work out before anyone can assume he can get them back up to the level of the Gunther Cunningham defense of the late 90's.

As far as Dick Vermeil, during his 5 year run as the Chiefs' HC, he was primarily offensive-minded and did little to improve the defense (the defense sucked during the Vermeil years), which would explain why 4 out of those 5 years the team failed to make the playoffs, three of them being with losing or un-winning (8-8) win-loss records. Honestly, the Head Coaching is not the problem overall, it's the entire Chiefs' personnel that needs revamping since they have yet to obtain both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in the same season.

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by Omega

If Marty had not been fired he probably wins a SB with Rivers.

I mean think about it...a Marty team with the #1 offense.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Marty is incapable of getting any team to the Superbowl. His career strategy was nearly the same every year:

1. Start a career back-up QB.
2. Lead his team to a 10-6 record or better.
3. Choke in the playoffs.

He did this with the Cleveland Browns, Kansas City Chiefs, and San Diego Chargers. There is no woulda, coulda, shoulda with him even if he did get the chance to work with Rivers. By the way, Rivers is a whiny baby and is not ready for the Superbowl yet. Let's face it, his chances of actually getting a team to the Superbowl are as good as Marv Levy's chances are of actually getting his team to win a Superbowl.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Omega

If Marty had not been fired he probably wins a SB with Rivers.

I mean think about it...a Marty team with the #1 offense.

AJ Smith is a reerun.

Marty and Superbowl should not be in the same sentence

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

I have to respectfully disagree. The Chiefs have been blown out 5 times this year, and it wasn't all the offense's fault. If the defense were at the top of their game during all 5 of those same games, I imagine they would have only lost by a couple of TD's. Crennel still has some kinks to work out before anyone can assume he can get them back up to the level of the Gunther Cunningham defense of the late 90's.

As far as Dick Vermeil, during his 5 year run as the Chiefs' HC, he was primarily offensive-minded and did little to improve the defense (Al Saunders was overrated as a DC if you ask me), which would explain why 4 out of those 5 years the team failed to make the playoffs, three of them being with losing or un-winning (8-8) win-loss records. Honestly, the Head Coaching is not the problem overall, it's the entire Chiefs' personnel that needs revamping since they have yet to obtain both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in the same season.

How do these people find their way here?

FFS

[FAX]

Al Saunders was our DC?

I think you have him confused with Thomas Edison.

FAX