Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 29

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

NJChiefsFan · 12-21-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I honestly don't get the logic behind thinking trading up for a QB sets this franchise back years if he busts. With the new rookie cap, these players don't cost nearly as much. Also the only way to truly see how giving up that many picks could set us back is to assume every pick we made was a pro bowler or solid starter. Not once has this team ever had that type of success in any draft. Honestly I would give up our entire 2009 draft for a player like Luck or RGIII, although many people would have thought that foolish because that could set this franchise back or it would be too much to give up for one guy.

The big issue I have is the other solution. There were/are those afraid of doing so yet are fine investing years in Cassel or perhaps a year or two in Orton. They are willing to gamble years for them but not the rookie. Has either done enough in the past to think the risk of letting them try to win a SB is lower than doing so with a young QB?

tredadda · 12-21-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

The big issue I have is the other solution. There were/are those afraid of doing so yet are fine investing years in Cassel or perhaps a year or two in Orton. They are willing to gamble years for them but not the rookie. Has either done enough in the past to think the risk of letting them try to win a SB is lower than doing so with a young QB?

Nope. But the fear of a first round QB busting on this team has scared many away from wanting to do it and instead they want to try and win with a retread QB. Never mind that players at all positions in the first round bust, if they do you just try again, but heaven forbid a QB do it. We might go winless or not sniff the playoffs for decades to follow. I am just glad those fans are few and far between.

ClevelandBronco · 12-21-2011, 11:34 PM

I haven't read this whole thread, but if Orton is the answer, the question should be rephrased.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 11:39 PM

Albert has jumped offsides 5 times all year.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=8792&team=12

He is a fine left tackle.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

This line wouldnt place 25th this season. It would be lower Im sure.

Explain this:

Offensive Line Pass Blocking Efficiency
The Pro Football Focus "Pass Blocking Efficiency" rating measures pressure allowed on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks allowed.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

He probably gives Brandon Albert the wrong snap count once or twice a game just to draw attention away from himself.

I hear he leaves the toilet seat up too.

That mother****er is no good on any level.
.

Oh?

Explain this.

Offensive Tackle Pass Blocking Efficiency
The Pro Football Focus "Pass Blocking Efficiency" rating measures pressure allowed on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks allowed.

tredadda · 12-21-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Oh?

Explain this.

Offensive Tackle Pass Blocking Efficiency
The Pro Football Focus "Pass Blocking Efficiency" rating measures pressure allowed on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks allowed.

Keep showing stats like that and you might just convince someone that we don't need to draft a LT in the first round.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-21-2011, 11:50 PM

Crazyhorse = Owned

Dexter Manley · 12-21-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Oh?

Explain this.

Offensive Tackle Pass Blocking Efficiency
The Pro Football Focus "Pass Blocking Efficiency" rating measures pressure allowed on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks allowed.

Pittsburgh Steeler rookie ORT Marvel Smith "allowed" three sacks in his opening start to Courtney Brown. The first was a bull rush where the QB ran into Brown while escaping another defender, and Smith's protection held almost 5 full seconds. The second, Smith blocked down and let Brown go free. The third was another case where the QB held the ball too long, and then essentially scrambled right into Brown again.

Marvel Smith did extremely well his opening start. He "allowed" three sacks on your BS "chart..."

Dexter Manley · 12-21-2011, 11:53 PM

David Stewart!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Gets help almost every time in pass protection - has since Shawn Lights Out torched him badly in the playoffs a few years ago...

ClevelandBronco · 12-21-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Explain this.

Clearly, Cleveland is Super Bowl bound.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbie

Pittsburgh Steeler rookie ORT Marvel Smith "allowed" three sacks in his opening start to Courtney Brown. The first was a bull rush where the QB ran into Brown while escaping another defender, and Smith's protection held almost 5 full seconds. The second, Smith blocked down and let Brown go free. The third was another case where the QB held the ball too long, and then essentially scrambled right into Brown again.

Marvel Smith did extremely well his opening start. He "allowed" three sacks on your BS "chart..."

What the **** are you even talking about?

Marvel Smith doesn't play for the Steelers.

His rookie year was 2000, and PFF wasn't even in existence.

HE'S NOT EVEN IN THE LEAGUE ANYMORE.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-21-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbie

Pittsburgh Steeler rookie ORT Marvel Smith "allowed" three sacks in his opening start to Courtney Brown. The first was a bull rush where the QB ran into Brown while escaping another defender, and Smith's protection held almost 5 full seconds. The second, Smith blocked down and let Brown go free. The third was another case where the QB held the ball too long, and then essentially scrambled right into Brown again.

Marvel Smith did extremely well his opening start. He "allowed" three sacks on your BS "chart..."

BS Chart?

You can leave out the O for OLT and ORT. We are well aware that you are referring to the offensive line.

ClevelandBronco · 12-21-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

BS Chart?

You can leave out the O for OLT and ORT. We are well aware that you are referring to the offensive line.

And he could have left the B off of BS.

jd1020 · 12-22-2011, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

BS Chart?

You can leave out the O for OLT and ORT. We are well aware that you are referring to the offensive line.

When referring to sacks, LT and RT could have a very different meaning.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-21-2011, 11:34 PM	#423
ClevelandBronco I'm with the banned. Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $5658955	I haven't read this whole thread, but if Orton is the answer, the question should be rephrased.
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12-21-2011, 11:39 PM	#424
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $810478	Albert has jumped offsides 5 times all year. http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=8792&team=12 He is a fine left tackle. __________________ Chiefs game films
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BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Crazyhorse = Owned
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12-21-2011, 11:53 PM	#430
Dexter Manley Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	David Stewart!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!! Gets help almost every time in pass protection - has since Shawn Lights Out torched him badly in the playoffs a few years ago...
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