Chiefs Be the GM - Page 3

whoman69 · 01-07-2012, 01:40 PM

This will be a repeating feature. We will take each position in turn. For each position we will look at the players we already have on the roster and whether those player should be retained, resigned, traded, or cut. We will also discuss whether we need help in the draft, trades or free agency. The first position is the most obvious position for the team QUARTERBACK.

Currently on the roster we have:

Matt Cassel under contract under contract $5million
Kyle Orton FA
Ricky Stanzi under contract approx $550,000
Tyler Palko RFA

**SAUTO** · 01-07-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Mort reporting irsay will pick luck number. one
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Yep it's on espn.com now.
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2012, 02:24 PM

Let Orton walk, take the comp pick in 2013. Trade whoever and whatever it takes to get to #2 or #3 and take Griffin. Keep Cassel as the starter until the bye next year, then insert Griffin after he's had some time to acclimate to the system. Cut Cassel after 2012, keeping Stanzi as the primary backup for Griffin going forward. Maybe the team could make some noise by 2014.

-King- · 01-07-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Then Manning retires after winning a SB......and then what?

Wtf? If we win a Superbowl, who cares?
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Fritz88 · 01-07-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

This is a team that is built for competing for the next 8 10 years.

You bring in Manning, with no clear plan for the future after Manning retires, you limit your window to 3 years, 4 years max.

It's the same thing they did with Montana.

It's the same thing the the Cardinals did with Warner.

You bring in an aging QB, if it doesn't work out in the limited window, you're ****ed for years after.

And in the SB era, only 3 or 4 QBs over the age of 33 have won the SB, and only 1 of those was on a team that brought him in late in his career.

Fair enough. I'll get Manning, if he's healthy, and draft a QB in 2013 and let him set and watch Manning.

CoMoChief · 01-07-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Wtf? If we win a Superbowl, who cares?
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This team doesn't have to have Manning to win a SB.

I don't think I'd trade our best your defensive player for 1 glory year, then be worse off afterwards....esp when Manning has neck problems, which isn't a minor issue.

Fritz88 · 01-07-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This team doesn't have to have Manning to win a SB.

I don't think I'd trade our best your defensive player for 1 glory year, then be worse off afterwards....esp when Manning has neck problems, which isn't a minor issue.

Manning will cost you a first and a 3rd. no need to give them Berry or Bowe.

whoman69 · 01-07-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

You re-sign Orton.

Keep Stanzi, Cassel and Palko on the roster and let them duke it out for a roster spot with whatever new guys come in. Cut whoever doesn't make it.

Bring in new guys via the draft.

Scientifically assess your best chance of getting a top QB. As I mentioned in another thread, that may not be trading up to get the top prospects if you're giving up a ton of picks. You may be able to pour those picks into quarterbacks and sort them out until you get the right QB. But either way, invest draft picks into getting QB prospects that you can evaluate as you search for the right guy.

I agree mostly with this. I cannot stand to have Cassel in this line-up. He has a low enough cap number that teams may want to trade for him, especially teams that are looking for a stop gap if their young QB stumbles (Jax, Minn) or if they're looking for a relatively low priced backup. I can see no reason Orton would want to resign if you have Cassel as well. Palko brings nothing to the plate. He's not fighting for anything.

I would not overpay a first for a QB not rated that high, whether it be Tannenhill or Wilson.

I still cannot agree with trading the farm to get a top pick. If we are trading our top talent and leaving ourselves without picks to help this team for next two to three years, we quickly become the Colts. Difference is the Colts are who they are and still have their picks.

whoman69 · 01-07-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

Manning will cost you a first and a 3rd. no need to give them Berry or Bowe.

Manning doesn't cost you anything but money because the Colts aren't going to spend a $28 million bonus on a player they are going to trade. He's either a FA or a Colt. Keep up.

Chiefnj2 · 01-07-2012, 02:51 PM

I'll take Cassel over Orton any day of the week.

They both suck. Neither is going to lead you to a Super Bowl. Which one is likely to have the shortest time frame to prove themselves before the team moves in another direction - Cassel.

Orton buys 3 more years of mediocrity. If Cassel sucks this year there is a better chance management finally learns its lesson.

Lbedrock1 · 01-07-2012, 03:04 PM

Would this get us the first rounf pick
first and second 2012
second and third 2013
third and fourth 2014
I would be willing to do something like this but to give up multiple first rounds for any QB is not worth it. There will be other after luck and Im willing to wait instead of giving up to much at once for a unproven QB. I would a do the first 2 for manning.

BigChiefFan · 01-07-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

As I've said elsewhere, I think the firing of the Polians in INdy puts that first overall in play.

I package draft picks and players, including our best players, like DJ and Berry, if necessary, to move up to take Luck.

Yep. Package the picks and take the best QB prospect. 40 years plus and the organization still hasn't done dick.

The best move is to trade either Bowe or Carr because one of them can be franchised and cost us zilch against the cap. That or trade a player with a low cap implication. I'd have to do alot more research to look at all the contracts to know who that is.

Free Agent targets...

HB Marshawn Lynch
TE:Jermichael Finley, Greg Olsen, Marcedes Lewis, or Joel Dreesen. We should be able to pick up one of them.
ILBer: Jon Beason or Stephen Tulloch. LBer corp would be one of the best in the NFL.
FS:Michael Griffin
SS:Troy Polamula

I'm not suggesting we should pick up all these players, but these guys would definitely be who I would target to improve our team.

whoman69 · 01-07-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lbedrock1

Would this get us the first rounf pick
first and second 2012
second and third 2013
third and fourth 2014
I would be willing to do something like this but to give up multiple first rounds for any QB is not worth it. There will be other after luck and Im willing to wait instead of giving up to much at once for a unproven QB. I would a do the first 2 for manning.

Once again, Manning will not be traded. The Colts owe him $28 million if they pick up his option.

-King- · 01-07-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This team doesn't have to have Manning to win a SB.

I don't think I'd trade our best your defensive player for 1 glory year, then be worse off afterwards....esp when Manning has neck problems, which isn't a minor issue.

Manning wont be traded. If hes on another team next year, its because he got cut.
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Chiefnj2 · 01-07-2012, 03:31 PM

I'm still shocked people really think Manning would come to KC.

**Baby Lee** · 01-07-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I'll take Cassel over Orton any day of the week.

They both suck. Neither is going to lead you to a Super Bowl. Which one is likely to have the shortest time frame to prove themselves before the team moves in another direction - Cassel.

Orton buys 3 more years of mediocrity. If Cassel sucks this year there is a better chance management finally learns its lesson.

It's one thing to 'suck for Luck' when you're already 0-3, 0-4 on the season. It's another altogether to tank a season in January.

Dumb, dumb, dumb

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I'll take Cassel over Orton any day of the week. They both suck. Neither is going to lead you to a Super Bowl. Which one is likely to have the shortest time frame to prove themselves before the team moves in another direction - Cassel. Orton buys 3 more years of mediocrity. If Cassel sucks this year there is a better chance management finally learns its lesson. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Lbedrock1 Iron Giant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Conyers, Ga Casino cash: $9995364	Would this get us the first rounf pick first and second 2012 second and third 2013 third and fourth 2014 I would be willing to do something like this but to give up multiple first rounds for any QB is not worth it. There will be other after luck and Im willing to wait instead of giving up to much at once for a unproven QB. I would a do the first 2 for manning. __________________
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I'm still shocked people really think Manning would come to KC. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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