Chiefs are 63m under the cap

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Always KC. RT @MattPomPom Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by O.city

We all want Bowe to be at that level. I don't think he will be. I think Fitz and Megatron are just physically better than everyone. I think Johnson is there too but it took him a little longer to figure it out.

I think Bowe is probably a top 5 or 6 wr. Is he a top 3 guy. No, but he doesn't have to be. I think he's a great possesion wr, who can be more with the right qb.

I think he has alot of room to grow.

And teams did load 8 in the box but Bowe didn't seem to get alot of one on ones. His only playoff game he had bracket coverage and a qb who didn't even throw a ball his way.

He had Kevin Curtis to take the pressure off of him in that game and Chris Chambers drawed the coverage away allowing him to grab 15 TD's in a season!!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PGM

If he truly was a "franchise QB", we wouldn't be talking about the line would we? He'd get rid of the ball on time and raise the level of his teammates around him. I thought that was the definition of a "franchise QB"?

Huh? That's absolutely reckless. There is no QB in any situation who's going to survive with a LT that gets beat on a regular basis, and can get to the QB before he even has a chance to drop back.

If I have a QB who can be franchise, but has injury history... why in the world would you take that gamble to expect him to make quicker decisions vs. giving him players who can buy him more time?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

We all want Bowe to be at that level. I don't think he will be. I think Fitz and Megatron are just physically better than everyone. I think Johnson is there too but it took him a little longer to figure it out.

I think Bowe is probably a top 5 or 6 wr. Is he a top 3 guy. No, but he doesn't have to be. I think he's a great possesion wr, who can be more with the right qb.

I think he has alot of room to grow.

And teams did load 8 in the box but Bowe didn't seem to get alot of one on ones. His only playoff game he had bracket coverage and a qb who didn't even throw a ball his way.

This absolutely nails it.

Being a notch below elite is still very good. But he just doesn't have the physical makeup to be as good as the elite guys. That's not in any way a knock on Bowe. Again, I'd sign him yesterday to a huge contract.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Huh? That's absolutely reckless. There is no QB in any situation who's going to survive with a LT that gets beat on a regular basis, and can get to the QB before he even has a chance to drop back.

If I have a QB who can be franchise, but has injury history... why in the world would you take that gamble to expect him to make quicker decisions vs. giving him players who can buy him more time?

While the tackles are shaky, Drew Brees' consistent ability to get rid of the football quickly covers up many of Bushrod's flaws\

From an aritcle on the Saints o-line. You don't need a bunch of high end picks to have a good line and a QB with a quick release can make a bad tackle passable for an elite offense.

[O.city]

I think Bowe is close to the elite great line. I think with say Orton at qb, he could be a great wr.


But like zilla said, the top three guys are just physically at another level. Could bowe get there? I dunno maybe. If he doesn't get better qb play no.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think Bowe is close to the elite great line. I think with say Orton at qb, he could be a great wr.


But like zilla said, the top three guys are just physically at another level. Could bowe get there? I dunno maybe. If he doesn't get better qb play no.

My problem is that he puts Blackmon in that category before he even plays a down of football with the men. Bowe produces with shit QB's and he can never be any better than what he is . Get a real QB in here and he'll put on a show.

[O.city]

I've went back and watched some stuff about Baldwin. I'm really excited about what this guy can become with the right coaching and quarterback. I really really hope we bring Orton back as he throws a really good deep ball.


I think Baldwin has the physical tools to be a fantastic wr. I think he could be Vincent Jackson type deep threat. We need to lock Bowe up tho so Baldwin can be the number 2 for a while to get his legs under him.

[O.city]

I agree PGM. I think Blackmon has the skills and talent but you just never know til it happens.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PGM

While the tackles are shaky, Drew Brees' consistent ability to get rid of the football quickly covers up many of Bushrod's flaws\

From an aritcle on the Saints o-line. You don't need a bunch of high end picks to have a good line and a QB with a quick release can make a bad tackle passable for an elite offense.

1 - Drew Brees got injured on a play that almost ended his career
2 - Not every QB is Drew Brees. And shame on you if you call your QB a failure because he isn't Drew Brees.
3 - It is reckless to expect your 3rd year QB to have Drew Brees like instincts that quickly. Even Drew Brees didn't have anything close to Brees like instincts that quickly.
4 - If you have Big Ben or Rodgers, you don't worry much about their health because they've proven they can take a hit. When you have a QB with an injury history, I sure as shit am going to protect him with insurance. Just because I worry the same for Stafford, doesn't make me think any less of him as a franchise QB, and I would absolutely take that baggage.
5 - You're also acting like there is any harm to getting a good Left Tackle. If your QB ends up developing Drew Brees like instincts and has a franchise left tackle, your team is a hell of a lot better. Hell, Brady makes bad receivers look awesome. Are you going to tell me that because Bradford should ideally make bad receivers look good if he's truly franchise, that they should pass up on Blackmon too? C'mon, man. Just because a QB elevates the play of players around him doesn't mean you surround him with shit and force him to make lemonade.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

3 high round picks on Left Tackles in 4 years is not how I'd go about building a team. That is all. It's just an opinion. They've already got a number 2 overall pick sucking it up on the right side. Damn, that team has swiss cheese like holes and they've invested a TON in thier o-line in recent years. Franchise also shouldn't be put in front of a QB's name until he's earned it.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by milkman

I had never heard of the 30% rule until Parker mentioned it a few days ago.

After researching, as I understand it, a team can not extend a player's contract with more than a 30% increase.

So, in order for the Chiefs to pay Carr what he's worth, they have to let his contract expire.

Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

As I understood it, the 30% rule was a provision put into the last CBA that only applied to contracts being signed during that CBA's final death knells. It only came into effect once the salary cap had expired, or once the CBA was in its final year, or something to that effect. That's why it suddenly became a big deal around 2010, but nobody had ever heard of it before then.

Now that all the CBA stuff is cleared up, I would think it's a dead issue. I'd go as far to say I'm certain it is, or the 30% rule would have applied to numerous contract extensions that have been signed since the new CBA was ratified. Guys like Tamba, Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, etc. have all gotten new deals coming off their rookie contracts. I don't remember a word about the 30% rule impacting any of those.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PGM

3 high round picks on Left Tackles in 4 years is not how I'd go about building a team. That is all. It's just an opinion. They've already got a number 2 overall pick sucking it up on the right side. Damn, that team has swiss cheese like holes and they've invested a TON in thier o-line in recent years. Franchise also shouldn't be put in front of a QB's name until he's earned it.

If I'm the new GM, I wipe my hands clean. It doesn't matter what mistakes the previous front office made. If they believe Kalil can be a franchise LT, you get him. He is exactly what you need at this stage. The Lions made collossally bad mistakes burning high picks on WRs. Worse than the Rams because, unlike at left tackle, there is a wealth of talent in free agency at the WR position. Imagine if they passed up on Megatron to save face instead of making the right pick.

This place has gone absolutely bonkers with their obsession around building your team as if you're going to have Drew Brees or Tom Brady. To the point where we're talking about passing up on people who can help your QB because the expectation is that your QB should be able to do the job all by himself.

If I have a good enough tackle in Branden Albert and I'm the Rams, then yes, my top priority is WR in the draft. Right now, given that they have horrible options on the roster and no options in free agency, your approach is to walk into 2012 protecting a fragile QB with a horrendous Left Tackle, and then when Bradford gets injured, blame him for not making quicker decisions.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They already have a young, 23 year old left tackle on the roster that they invested a high pick in. It's not like Saffold can't get any better. I don't see whey they HAVE to go left tackle when they have holes all over the place. I've already said multiple times they have invested HEAVILY into the line already, so I'm not saying they can just put bodies out there. The young guys they have may develop into something, but why am I shocked, folks at Chiefs Planet give up on guys all the time.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Rams can trade likely with the Browns and get two first round picks. The key is that they only have to move back 2 spots and can still get Blackmon or Kalil.

Then with that other first round pick they can get a wr or tackle, whichever one they didn't take. They can get those two players and pay them less than they would have to pay Bowe.

While I do think Bowe is a great wr, it makes no sense financially for the Rams, who don't have any cap space.

This, closer to the reality than anything else posted. Bowe would be a surer bet than Blackmon, but that surity comes with a price tag which the past management made sure they could not pay.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

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5 - You're also acting like there is any harm to getting a good Left Tackle. If your QB ends up developing Drew Brees like instincts and has a franchise left tackle, your team is a hell of a lot better. Hell, Brady makes bad receivers look awesome. Are you going to tell me that because Bradford should ideally make bad receivers look good if he's truly franchise, that they should pass up on Blackmon too? C'mon, man. Just because a QB elevates the play of players around him doesn't mean you surround him with shit and force him to make lemonade.

So, let me understand this, Brady makes shit receivers look awesome, while there's nothing a good QB can do to help Dwayne Bowe reach another level?

You're talking out both sides of your face.

You give Bowe a Schaub or even a Flacco, guys that can make all the throws, that can "throw their receivers open", then Bowe absolutely can take his game to that next level.

Now, if I thought the Rams had the money under the cap to afford Bowe, and thought that we had the ammo to compete against the Browns to make that move, making that trade wouldn't be a question.

Bottom line, in spite of your ramblings, the only real reason this trade idea doesn't work is money.