Chiefs Chiefs are 63m under the cap - Page 21

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-10-2012, 01:43 PM

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Always KC. RT @MattPomPom Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

**Easy 6** · 02-12-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If Bowe can catch 15 touchdowns with Matt Cassel as his quarterback, is it crazy to think he could get 20...even with a guy like Orton?

Great point, thats what keeps being willfully overlooked by some.

He's been a 1000+ guy for QB's a lot worse than Orton, with a QB that can hit him in stride for yac more often than not, instead of him constantly having to pull off clown show catches on poor throws... he can be one of the very best imo.

**BossChief** · 02-12-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Jason Smith is dogshit, absolute trash. That #2 overall they spent on Smith is a sunk cost and simply not worth worrying about anymore.

The Rams are going to go as far as Bradford can take him and right now Bradford is getting abused. Kalil would essentially be like drafting a new franchise QB in Bradford since he's been completely vitiated by the failures of their O-Line.

I think Blackmon's probably a slightly better pick for them, but Kalil would certainly be a good one as well.

The right thing for them is to move down to #4 and take a linemen with that pick and use the profit pick on a linemen, too.

I'd spend in free agency on the OL, too.

Maybe even take a shot at Gaither.

Everyone knew that Bradford could be damn good, but that you were almost required to put a brick wall in front of him for him to display the accuracy and timing in his throws that he was able to show in college.

I think the kid has a chance to be Troy Aikman good, but not if he keeps getting hit and having to severly rush his throws.

I'd give them our #11 pick right now for him and they could take RG3 and get a quality receiver for him to throw to at 11.

RG3 could probably mask a lot of the problems that line has where Bradford really can't.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-12-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If Bowe can catch 15 touchdowns with Matt Cassel as his quarterback, is it crazy to think he could get 20...even with a guy like Orton?

I think that could be an attainable goal.

Nothing is ever that simple.

Yes, Bowe puts up good numbers statistically with a bad QB. But again, my concern continues to be... is this is a guy who is in an elite class when it comes to "I have a big game. I need you to take over in the 4th quarter." Do you realize that about half of his yards and TDs in 2010 came out of 3 games? (Denver, Jacksonville, and Tennessee). In the other 13 games of the season, he had about 600 yards and 8 TDs. That's good, but it's not anywhere close to elite. Is this a guy I'm comfortable matching up against the Ravens in a playoff game? To put together 3 or 4 consecutive great playoff performances?

We are making a huge assumption by saying he disappears in big games because of his QB, but what if it's just that he's not elite enough to consistently beat elite corners?

That's why I say he's not in the same league as the elite guys like Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. I know that there is no corner that can stop him and in the 4th quarter, I know they can take over games. I don't know the answer to that with Bowe yet. My guess is, he doesn't have the freakish talent those guys have to ever make that step to elite status. I think his ceiling is a lot lower than people are claiming. I think a good QB is going to make Bowe look like a God against bad teams. I just wonder if he can do it in games where he need him most.

Deberg_1990 · 02-12-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

What would you guys think about throwing some serious cash at Mario Williams?

Doesn't he play the same position as Hali?

chiefzilla1501 · 02-12-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Doesn't he play the same position as Hali?

Not just that. First, we have Justin Houston as our second pass rusher. Second, he's too big to be a prototypical 3-4 OLB.

**1ChiefsDan** · 02-12-2012, 11:42 AM

I read there are over 600 free agents this year. That is unheard of. There is no reason for the Chiefs not to be active this off season.

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-12-2012, 11:47 AM

Just thought I would share this site for those of you like me and need to an idiot-friendly site to keep track with what is going on with the FA on our team...

Easy to follow...

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/p/20...ee-agents.html

**BossChief** · 02-12-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Nothing is ever that simple.

Yes, Bowe puts up good numbers statistically with a bad QB. But again, my concern continues to be... is this is a guy who is in an elite class when it comes to "I have a big game. I need you to take over in the 4th quarter." Do you realize that about half of his yards and TDs in 2010 came out of 3 games? (Denver, Jacksonville, and Tennessee). In the other 13 games of the season, he had about 600 yards and 8 TDs. That's good, but it's not anywhere close to elite. Is this a guy I'm comfortable matching up against the Ravens in a playoff game? To put together 3 or 4 consecutive great playoff performances?

We are making a huge assumption by saying he disappears in big games because of his QB, but what if it's just that he's not elite enough to consistently beat elite corners?

That's why I say he's not in the same league as the elite guys like Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. I know that there is no corner that can stop him and in the 4th quarter, I know they can take over games. I don't know the answer to that with Bowe yet. My guess is, he doesn't have the freakish talent those guys have to ever make that step to elite status. I think his ceiling is a lot lower
than people are claiming. I think a good QB is going to make Bowe look like a God against bad teams. I just wonder if he can do it in games where he need him most.

I don't give a **** who is better than him.

I really don't.

The way Baltimore defended him in that playoff game was th screaming "you don't have anyone else and even if you did, your quarterback doesn't know it"

It wasn't a case of "Bowe can't beat a coverage corner" it was "almost no receiver can beat bracket coverage when his qb is matt Cassel"

Baltimore basically dedicated a corner and safety to Bowe on every single play and said "beat us with somebody else" and when Charles got hurt it was basically over.

I'd be willing to bet that Bowe (with a full year of Orton or someone better than Orton) would have a bunch of career years and would challenge some all time single season records.

**BossChief** · 02-12-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

I read there are over 600 free agents this year. That is unheard of. There is no reason for the Chiefs not to be active this off season.

I made this observation last year when the lockout pushed free agency back:

This is probably gonna be the deepest free agent class in 20 years for the same reason the 2010 draft class was the deepest in a similar time frame.

Last year, a ****ton of players were signed to 1 year deals because of the lacking timescale between the time free agency started in relation to the kickoff of camps and preseason.

More than normal, players signed 1 year deals to stay with their present team rather than having to spend a year learning new systems and everything "on the fly"

That basically equates to this free agency period being last years and this years squashed into one.

That could prove very advantageous to a team with a lot of room to spend (cough cough) in a year previous to the one in which we are forced to spend that cash.

I've said it a couple times and I'll say it again right now.

I think this is gonna be the year in which we spend some serious coin in free agency if we are truly looking to be a future superbowl contender.

DJ's left nut · 02-12-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't give a **** who is better than him.

I really don't.

The way Baltimore defended him in that playoff game was th screaming "you don't have anyone else and even if you did, your quarterback doesn't know it"

It wasn't a case of "Bowe can't beat a coverage corner" it was "almost no receiver can beat bracket coverage when his qb is matt Cassel"

Baltimore basically dedicated a corner and safety to Bowe on every single play and said "beat us with somebody else" and when Charles got hurt it was basically over.

I'd be willing to bet that Bowe (with a full year of Orton or someone better than Orton) would have a bunch of career years and would challenge some all time single season records.

May I ask what makes you think that?

His hands are above average, but not great. He's not exceptionally fast in a straight line, nor is he all that quick in and out of his cuts. He's not the most focused guy out there, as we all know and his route running is solid but not Marvin Harrison. He's incredibly strong and has good, but not Fitzgerald-esque, body control.

He has a nice package of pretty good attributes and is clearly a very good WR - but "challenge some all time single-season records"? Why? What have you seen in his actual physical potential and day to day performance that suggests to you that he is capable of one of the greatest seasons of any WR in NFL history?

Bowe has statistically been the biggest benefactor of Cassel's inability to play big-boy QB. Cassel locks in on Bowe and simply force-feeds him. If Manning or Brady or Brees were behind center, a lot of those passes would've been spread across the field to other WRs.

I'm not convinced that a new quarterback would greatly improve Bowe's numbers. It would improve his performance in that his catches would mean more and come at more critical junctures; but I simply don't see the physical upside or mental approach that would put him on par with the truly great WRs in this league.

If you want historical perspectives - he's Michael Irvin to Calvin Johnson's Jerry Rice. He's a very good to even borderline great WR - but there's nothing historic about him.

**Easy 6** · 02-12-2012, 12:50 PM

With a cohesion killing collection of Cassel, Palko & finally Orton, not too mention the absolute confused mess of the offense in general this year... Bowe still wound up in the top 10.

Theres no way that a full year with ONE solid qb doesnt vault him into the top 5, and thats elite no matter how you want to slice it... and i'll simply refuse to hear the tired 'stats dont matter' argument, if they didnt matter they wouldnt be kept, they are proof positive of production, period.

jd1020 · 02-12-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

With a cohesion killing collection of Cassel, Palko & finally Orton, not too mention the absolute confused mess of the offense in general this year... Bowe still wound up in the top 10.

Top 10 in what? He was 13th in yards and T-45 in TDs.

**Easy 6** · 02-12-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Top 10 in what? He was 13th in yards and T-45 in TDs.

He's #10 on the overall regular season list.

jd1020 · 02-12-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

He's #10 on the overall regular season list.

Link?

**Easy 6** · 02-12-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Link?

NFL.com/stats

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