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Old 02-10-2012, 01:43 PM  
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Chiefs are 63m under the cap
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:58 PM   #391
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Skelton also had a good game against the 9ers, not a crappy team, and as I said, I used those games to support my eyeball test.

I didn't watch every game, but I did watch that 9er game as well the Bengal game and the final game against the Seahawks, not to mention a couple of game when he was a rookie the year before.

He looked like an NFL QB in 2011, making huge strides from his rookie season.

Matt Cassel doesn't.
Cassel is an NFL QB, and would make a really good back up.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:02 PM   #392
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Are you suggesting paying 20 mil to the Rams, along with other considerations, to move up to their spot?
Why not? Not saying we could or couldn't pull it off. But 20M's is alot of money. I don't know what that number is but the Chiefs have certainly been profitable enough over the last 10 years to get that one key player that can get us a championship. We have almost all the other parts, LETS GET A ****ING QB!!!!!!

It pisses me off that there was no one smart enough in the organization to be able to piece together a defense to go with our top scoring offense, with Priest, Tony G, and our oline back in the Vermiel era. We can't let that happen again. and we can't wait another 2 or three years to develop a QB we have to start the devolopment now before Jamaal Charles, Bowe, and DJ don't have it anymore.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:02 PM   #393
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Cassel is an NFL QB, and would make a really good back up.
We disagree.

Any QB who wilts at the first sign of pressure is not an NFL calibre QB.

Most of the time, it's faux pressure.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:13 PM   #394
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We disagree.

Any QB who wilts at the first sign of pressure is not an NFL calibre QB.

Most of the time, it's faux pressure.
So you think if he wasn't the Chiefs starting QB, he wouldn't even have a job in the NFL? I don't think so.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:16 PM   #395
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So you think if he wasn't the Chiefs starting QB, he wouldn't even have a job in the NFL? I don't think so.
Derek Anderson, who's been mentioned a few times in this thread, has a job in the NFL.

That doesn't mean he should.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:40 PM   #396
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We disagree.

Any QB who wilts at the first sign of pressure is not an NFL calibre QB.

Most of the time, it's faux pressure.
Didn't you say Blaine Gabbert was a first round QB?
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:42 PM   #397
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Didn't you say Blaine Gabbert was a first round QB?
I never really commented on Gabbert because I didn't see him.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:45 PM   #398
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Derek Anderson, who's been mentioned a few times in this thread, has a job in the NFL.

That doesn't mean he should.
Matt Cassel deserves to be an NFL QB as much as Mark Sanchez does.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:45 PM   #399
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The difference is that Skelton was in his second season and took huge strides, and showed tremendous upside.

Matt Cassel is essentially a 30 year old jouneyman who has passed his prime upside years.

He has no upside.
Right, but let's not forget why we're talking about these two guys in the first place. It's because we were discussing if Fitzgerald or Bowe had a bigger disadvantage because of the QB throwing to them. I don't really care about Skelton beyond what he did in 2011.

I know Cassel doesn't have upside. I'd cut him tomorrow if I could. But I also think you're exaggerating how bad he is. Messier's right that he is a very, very good backup.
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Matt Cassel deserves to be an NFL QB as much as Mark Sanchez does.
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Right, but let's not forget why we're talking about these two guys in the first place. It's because we were discussing if Fitzgerald or Bowe had a bigger disadvantage because of the QB throwing to them. I don't really care about Skelton beyond what he did in 2011.

I know Cassel doesn't have upside. I'd cut him tomorrow if I could. But I also think you're exaggerating how bad he is. Messier's right that he is a very, very good backup.
Skelton, and to a lesser extent, but better than Cassel, Kolb, can get the ball downfield.

There's the disadvantage that Bowe has to contend with with Matt Cassel.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:52 PM   #402
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Skelton, and to a lesser extent, but better than Cassel, Kolb, can get the ball downfield.

There's the disadvantage that Bowe has to contend with with Matt Cassel.
What's interesting is that Cassel rated last in downfield accuracy (I think 25% completion rate in 2010), while Anderson was something like 40%.

The problem is that Anderson completed about 40% of his intermediate passes where Cassel completed about 55%.

Here's what's interesting about comparing Bowe and Fitzgerald. Anderson is significantly better than Cassel at the downfield stuff, which is Fitzgerald's strength. Cassel was significantly better than Anderson at the intermediate stuff, which is Bowe's strength.

Doesn't really sway the argument either way. But it's still kind of interesting.
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If Bowe can catch 15 touchdowns with Matt Cassel as his quarterback, is it crazy to think he could get 20...even with a guy like Orton?

I think that could be an attainable goal.
Thing is I think sometimes a specific player gets huge TDs because is the first and only spot a QB looks. With a QB that can spread the ball(realitivly speaking with Orton) the TD "wealth" may be spread more.
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February, 13, 2012 Feb 132:50PM ETEmail Print Comments15By Bill WilliamsonThe long-awaited salary-cap numbers for 2012 have been computed, according to ESPN’s John Clayton.

Free agency starts March 13. Let’s look at the current numbers for each AFC West team:

Denver

Salary-cap situation: $50.735 million under.

Comment: The Broncos can do whatever they want. It begins with in-house free agents Brodrick Bunkley and Matt Prater. The new Denver regime has said it will not spend wildly just to spend, so don’t expect any crazy sprees.

Kansas City

Salary-cap situation: $62.995 million under.

Comment: Scott Pioli’s Chiefs’ has always been in good cap shape. He has been criticized for not doing much, though. Pioli has concentrated on role players. Maybe this is the year he makes a huge splash. Because of the cap room there is no reason the Chiefs can’t keep both Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr.

Oakland

Salary-cap situation: $11 million over.

Comment: The Raiders are one of four teams still over the cap. They will easily get under the cap, but the question is how much room will they clear up? They will need to do some things, though, because of their lack of draft picks. I think, in the end, the Raiders will be able to pick up some quality players in free agency.

San Diego

Salary-cap situation: $9.2 million under.

Comment: The Chargers can make some more room, starting with cutting tackle Marcus McNeill. General manager A.J. Smith hasn’t made many big splashes in free agency. He may have to do so some things this year as he enters a critical season. The Chargers have several in-house free agents to address as well.
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