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Old 03-13-2013, 10:53 PM   #1
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JFC.

You cannot "prove" that Jeno Smythe will become an immediate franchise QB. Period. End of story.

TattooBoy wants the Chiefs front office to "prove to the fans" that they're committed to winning, NOW, as if the past 42 years of a mostly losing franchise is somehow insignificant.

Do you understand the diff? Capice?


Big Difference Between this Dane and the dane of 3 years ago....


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The bottom line is that if you want to win a Super Bowl in this day and age, you're far more likely to do so with a QB taken in the first round of the NFL Draft...........everyone in the NFL knows that the QB position is the most important position today.

Bar none.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:02 PM   #2
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Big Difference Between this Dane and the dane of 3 years ago....
Apparantly, the position is no longer important.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:02 PM   #3
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Big Difference Between this Dane and the dane of 3 years ago....
7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.

The Super Bowl is a pipe dream. A winning season, a playoff win - well maybe THEN the Chiefs can talk about a Super Bowl.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:04 PM   #4
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7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.
Were were more at square 1 after 2008....
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:07 PM   #5
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Were were more at square 1 after 2008....
And I hated the Pioli and Haley hire more than any hire in the Chiefs history.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:09 PM   #6
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And I hated the ***** and Haley hire more than any hire in the Chiefs history.
I can't say I disagree....I liked what he did with the AZ offense, and had some hopes but in retrospect it was terrible
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:06 PM   #7
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7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.

The Super Bowl is a pipe dream. A winning season, a playoff win - well maybe THEN the Chiefs can talk about a Super Bowl.
Who is suggesting that the team would win a SB next year or the year after?

Everyone realizes that it will take multiple years for this team to contend because there are holes on the roster that can't be fixed by 2nd and 3rd tier FAs.

We should be laying the foundation for the future of the team now, and that foundation comes from drafting and developing a QB. As he develops, you fill the holes. Once he's ready the team is as well.

They are parallel growth lines.
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Who is suggesting that the team would win a SB next year or the year after?

Everyone realizes that it will take multiple years for this team to contend because there are holes on the roster that can't be fixed by 2nd and 3rd tier FAs.

We should be laying the foundation for the future of the team now, and that foundation comes from drafting and developing a QB. As he develops, you fill the holes. Once he's ready the team is as well.

They are parallel growth lines.
The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:12 PM   #9
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The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
Baseball prospects almost always take 3+ years from the day they are drafted to even make a ML debut. From there, it takes several years to reach an All-Star level for even incredibly talented players.

NFL teams can completely turn around a franchise in just three, with immediate turnarounds noticeable in the first year.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:18 PM   #10
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Baseball prospects almost always take 3+ years from the day they are drafted to even make a ML debut. From there, it takes several years to reach an All-Star level for even incredibly talented players.

NFL teams can completely turn around a franchise in just three, with immediate turnarounds noticeable in the first year.
NFL teams can completely turn around in one year, if there's a QB available that has the talent to change that franchise.

It's quite clear that Reid and Dorsey don't believe there's a QB in the draft capable of changing the Chiefs fortunes in 2013.

Only time will tell if they're right or wrong.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:25 PM   #11
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NFL teams can completely turn around in one year, if there's a QB available that has the talent to change that franchise.

It's quite clear that Reid and Dorsey don't believe there's a QB in the draft capable of changing the Chiefs fortunes in 2013.

Only time will tell if they're right or wrong.
Even if they are right, why trade valuable picks for a guy like Smith when the team needs so much work?

Even if they despise every 2013 QB they were never pot-committed to Alex Smith until they decided to commit themselves.

If they sign a Matt Moore type to start and punt on the QBs this year, they could angle flipping 2.34 into future picks. Now they can't do that.

If they want to move up next year, they lack ammunition because of the Smith trade.

The reprehensible part of this trade to me is two-fold: 1) It treats 2013 as the only year of the team that matters 2) It severely decreases the team's leverage and ability to acquire a difference maker under center.

This leads me to a few conclusions:

1) Clark Hunt doesn't really care about winning big
2) This regime is overly consumed with winning now than building a consistent winner.
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The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
Then why not go the Aaron Rodgers/Colin Kaepernick way and try to develop a guy while a veteran makes the team competitive in the short term?
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Then why not go the Aaron Rodgers/Colin Kaepernick way and try to develop a guy while a veteran makes the team competitive in the short term?
Because they are stupid and think Alex Smith + Chase Daniel is a good thing.

It's not.

There is no reason this team could not have rolled the dice on a first-round QB. No team in NFL history has been 100 percent sure an ENTIRE QB class was not going to pan out. And even if they thought they were, the fact everyone passed on Aaron Rodgers is proof enough that GMs get it wrong all the ****ing time.

We're going to be up shit creek with Alex Smith in the boat and 0 viable long-term options at QB in three years. Watch and see how much fun it is.

There is no complicated answer to why they chose to go with two guys who are at the bottom end of NFL QB ability (this is not debatable). The simple answer is: they are stupid or, at best, scared. Occam's razor slices, it dices.
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The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
Then I am right that this franchise and fanbase has been neutered or "Bob Barkered" or castrated from the Todd Blackledge draft pick.

This franchise fanbase needs to grow another set of balls and pick a QB to develop so that this team can start to build for Champiship runs.
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The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
It's a bad strategy for the Royals, sure. But Clark will earn beaucoup money with the Chiefs whether or not there are blackouts or not.
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