Peter King: Chiefs will listen to trade offers for Albert

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Duno if this is a Q...and it is from King, but hello LT at #1.

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Not sure if this is big, breaking news but Peter King says Chiefs will listen to trade offers for Albert http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...ack/?mobile=no …

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Dude even in the WCO there are plenty of intermediate and deep throws.

And it's not like Matt Cassel had all these down-the-field studs in Kansas City.

Alex Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field for one reason and one reason only...he's afraid to.

Alex Smith...throws the ball down the field less than everyone in the NFL save Christian Ponder....that has nothing to do with who's running routes and everything to do with the QB.

Well, I'd be afraid to as well considering he didn't have dick to throw to over the course of his career.

Look, if Smith had Matt Ryan's receiving corp or Rivers in his prime with Vincent Jackson or Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron or Andre Johnson or Sidney Rice and so on and so forth, and he didn't throw downfield, you'd have a mighty fine point.

But the guy played on a ****ing shit team for the first six years of his career with shit coaches. He had a very good 2011 but still, no downfield threat. He had another very good year in 2012 but still, no downfield threat.

So would you rather have an accurate QB that moves the chains and plays within his and the team's means, or would you rather have a reckless gunslinger that loses games because his receivers suck and he wastes opportunities?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Scary thought:

Reid's WCO has always featured more downfield passing than any other iteration of it. It's not Gruden's system. McNabb and Vick were both aggressive downfield passers.

And we're going to run it with a QB that's afraid to throw the ball down the field and would rather take a sack then try and make a play.

This should turn out ok.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by milkman

Name the badass receivers that Trent Green had ti throw to in KC.

Gonzo caught alot of passes from Teet.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Name the badass receivers that Trent Green had ti throw to in KC.

IIRC, Eddie Kennison could at least get down field and was at one point, one of the fastest men in the NFL.

Some of Trent's longest throws were play-action, like his long strikes to Boerichter.

The fact of the matter is that Smith's best receivers were his TE's and running backs. That wasn't his fault.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I'd be afraid to as well considering he didn't have dick to throw to over the course of his career.

Look, if Smith had Matt Ryan's receiving corp or Rivers in his prime with Vincent Jackson or Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron or Andre Johnson or Sidney Rice and so on and so forth, and he didn't throw downfield, you'd have a mighty fine point.

But the guy played on a ****ing shit team for the first six years of his career with shit coaches. He had a very good 2011 but still, no downfield threat. He had another very good year in 2012 but still, no downfield threat.

So would you rather have an accurate QB that moves the chains and plays within his and the team's means, or would you rather have a reckless gunslinger that loses games because his receivers suck and he wastes opportunities?

Dude, we're not talking about 20+ yard throws down the field.

He throws less intermediate routes than Matt Cassel.

Than Matt Cassel.

He is completely averse to risk and does not throw the ball into NFL windows unless he absolutely has to.

The types of throws you saw Matt Cassel completing the last four years are going to be the same shit we see from Alex Smith.

He might complete them at a higher percentage...but he is a dink and dunk QB with a noodle arm who does not throw the ball down the field. End of story.

Who he was throwing to doesn't matter...because other QBs with "meh" WRs throw down the field more. Like...Matt...Cassel.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IIRC, Eddie Kennison could at least get down field and was at one point, one of the fastest men in the NFL.

Some of Trent's longest throws were play-action, like his long strikes to Boerichter.

The fact of the matter is that Smith's best receivers were his TE's and running backs. That wasn't his fault.

Ironic. Looks like you just described Trent Green.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Dude, we're not talking about 20+ yard throws down the field.

He throws less intermediate routes than Matt Cassel.

Than Matt Cassel.

He is completely averse to risk and does not throw the ball into NFL windows unless he absolutely has to.

The types of throws you saw Matt Cassel completing the last four years are going to be the same shit we see from Alex Smith.

He might complete them at a higher percentage...but he is a dink and dunk QB with a noodle arm who does not throw the ball down the field. End of story.

Who he was throwing to doesn't matter...because other QBs with "meh" WRs throw down the field more. Like...Matt...Cassel.

I don't really care.

Using this metric to dismiss him as a Matt Cassel clone is ridiculous.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't really care.

Using this metric to dismiss him as a Matt Cassel clone is ridiculous.

That's only one part of the equation.

He also takes sacks at an absurd rate.

He also has a lacking arm.

He's also a shitbird on third down.

I think that's enough evidence.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IIRC, Eddie Kennison could at least get down field and was at one point, one of the fastest men in the NFL.

Some of Trent's longest throws were play-action, like his long strikes to Boerichter.

The fact of the matter is that Smith's best receivers were his TE's and running backs. That wasn't his fault.

Eddie Kennison, who bounced around the league and did virtually nothing in his career, suudenly became a badass receiver once he hooked up with a QB thT wasn't afraid to throw the deep route.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ironic. Looks like you just described Trent Green.

Yeah, that Eddie Kennison was a bum and slow as ****. And Johnny Morton didn't have a 14 yards per average, either.

Smith will have his best receivers in KC with Bowe, Avery and Fasano. If he sucks ass, get rid of him with no excuses.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

That's only one part of the equation.

He also takes sacks at an absurd rate.

He also has a lacking arm.

He's also a shitbird on third down.

I think that's enough evidence.

He was avg about 2 sacks a game last year. So 32 last season if he played the full season. I don't even know what's consider good on that front. How many time did Manning get sacked last year?

[Hootie]

as soon as GoChiefs can explain to me how Matt Cassel had 27 TD's and 7 INT's and scored a - PFF rating while Alex Smith has a +25 over his past 24 starts while he uses PFF as his GOSPEL yet wants to say they are the same QB I'll shut up...but he needs to explain to me a site he uses as fact doesn't apply to Alex Smith

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by philfree

He was avg about 2 sacks a game last year. So 32 last season if he played the full season. I don't even know what's consider good on that front. How many time did Manning get sacked last year?

comparing any QB's sack total to Manning's is a sham since he literally gets rid of the ball and takes hardly any hits and he's been doing that his entire career

compare Alex Smith's sack total in 2011 to Aaron Rodgers in 2011. That's more fair.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Eddie Kennison, who bounced around the league and did virtually nothing in his career, suudenly became a badass receiver once he hooked up with a QB thT wasn't afraid to throw the deep route.

Kennison has nearly a 1,000 yards receiving his rookie year with Tony Banks.

Tony Banks.

He then had a couple of down years, mainly due to depression. He signed with Denver and was cut mid-season, joined the Chiefs and played lights out for the better part of five seasons.

The point is, Eddie Kennison ran a 4.29 on his pro day and was a pretty good and reliable receiver, something Alex Smith has never had in his pro career.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by philfree

Gonzo caught alot of passes from Teet.

and Smith has had Vernon Davis the whole time.
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