Chiefs 10 Keys to Success or Failure for the 2013 Chiefs - Page 8

**BossChief** · 05-17-2013, 12:06 AM

I think this upcoming season is filled with as much intrigue as any in the last 10+ years because of all the uncertainty at so many positions. I truly believe this team can be anywhere from 5-11 to 13-3 depending on how these factors play out...

1) Alex Myths ability to handle the workload that Andy Reids offense will demand. If he is able to continue the efficiency he had when be was throwing less in SF, but add to his attempts...he has a chance to help us win a lot against our schedule. Alex was on pace for a 26 touchdown and 3500 yard year in an offense that he would have been around 425 pass attempts the whole year and Andy will probably want another 100 pass attempts to be added to those. If he can't handle it and Andy Reid scales things back a notch we will still end up 7-9/8-8...but if he IS able to handle it and maintains the effectiveness he had last year with increased attempts, he could have a big year and guide us to a lot of wins. No doubt.

2) The defenses ability to take advantage of the scheme that should be predicated on getting more pressure than in years past by attacking more and sitting back less. Our linebacking corps are gonna straight up rape faces in this scheme. The players ability to change their mentality in how to play defense across the board is a huge factor...especially how soon they "get it" because this team can't afford to get into an early hole in the win loss column.

3) The usage of Eric Berry. I put this high on my list for a reason...the guy has been used incorrectly all three years in KC and if he is used correctly he should be an absolute game changer. This "third linebacker in the nickel" stuff needs to get gone and stay gone. This guy destroyed worlds at Tenneesee by taking the ball away and making huge hits and when Kiffen got there, be
changed all that and Eric has been used that way ever since. The way we have used him has completely nullified his playmaking ability and speed in the center of the field. We need to have that ballhawk back there intercepting passes and taking them to the house, not playing in the box most the game.

4) Sean Smith and Dunte Robinsons ability to play effective coverage. This is another situation similar to that of Alex Myth IMO...in that it can go drastically good or bad. I think we will score some points this year and those two will be under pressure. These two can make the secondary a strength or weakness.

5) Jon Baldwin taking to coaching and starting to realize his potential. This kid has amazing upside, but at the moment he looks like a bust. I think this is a career defining year for him. If he is able to become a solid #2 that can make some plays for us, this offense should start to be fun to watch. If not, this will likely be his last year in KC.

6) The fringe guys from the last two years drafts starting to show up and play at an effective level. Guys like Powe, Hudson, Allen, Bailey, Stephenson and Brown. All of those guys have potential to be quality starters or valuable role players if they can take to new coaching. They also have the potential to all need replaced for varius reasons.

7) Andy Reid molding his playcalling to fit the talent we have on board and not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I think he can push Alex Myth to 500 pass attempts, but not much more. If we can have a 50:50 split or maybe 55:45 in favor of the pass, I think we can win games...if be tries to throw it 35 times per game...I'm not sure we can be as effective that way.

8) The tight ends living up to their billing. We have a chance to have one of the best TE groups in the NFL if Kelce and Fasano can bring to the field what they do on paper. This Kelce kid is huge and moves very well and seems to have very good hands and instincts...a real player if he can develop his skills and stay out of trouble. It speaks to the talent of the position group that Moeaki may be the third tight end. They should be able to help seal the edge with Eric Fisher and, a few plays later, catching a couple big yardage passes. If Kelce is as good as some think, we may really have something to see on offense.

9) The defensive line being able to generate pressure and get a push. Guys like Jackson, Bailey, Poe, Powe and Devito need to be able to take advantage of linemen trying to keep the linebackers in check. If we can get this position group to play with some intensity, this defense could be just nasty. If they aren't able to do so, teams will control the LOS on us and dictate the tempo.

10) Someone stepping up on special teams and becoming a playmaker. We have the coach that can design the plays to help our return game, but someone needs to step up and fill the role of Arenas while giving us some homerun ability. Maybe Wylie will be that guy...sure would be nice to have a threat as a returner again, it's been awhile.

patteeu · 05-18-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Why are you using top ten picks?

oh because that is what allows you try to make a point.

You lose
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No, you lose. I used top 10 picks because any other pick is one that you could get to without being a really horrible team. Go 10-6 with a so-called game manager who can't get you to the Super Bowl and you're still in position where you can trade up to the 11-15 range.

But let's be more generous and expand the category to include all QBs taken in the first half of the 1st round. That adds Ben Roethlisberger. Now it's 9-8 in favor of QBs acquired via free agent or trade. Even if you expand the category to the entire 1st round, it only goes to 9-9 with the addition of Joe Flacco.

The bottom line is that it's a myth that teams have been more successful finding Super Bowl winning QBs by taking one in the first round than by getting them through other means. And it's definitely a myth that you have to have a bad record to be in position to find your QBotF.

patteeu · 05-18-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

No where in our back and forth did halfwit or myself even say a first round draft pick.

You lose
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The point of my post was that the retread route has succeeded more often than the top 10 route, based on historical results. Choke on it.

patteeu · 05-18-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

And I picked us to ten or eleven games, and I will watch every game and hope I'm wrong about Smith.

I feel like he will keep us mired in mediocrity.
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Which, as I've pointed out, hasn't prevented teams from finding Super Bowl winning QBs.

**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

The point of my post was that the retread route has succeeded more often than the top 10 route, based on historical results. Choke on it.

And it had nothing to do with the conversation. I still don't know why you posted it
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**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Which, as I've pointed out, hasn't prevented teams from finding Super Bowl winning QBs.

So? It may make the team quit looking for a qb.

Just like Carl and Scott.

I would have rather signed a guy like hasselback even without drafting someone. He could have won eight games and we wouldn't have to worry about him being here in three years. They would have had to keep looking
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**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

No, you lose. I used top 10 picks because any other pick is one that you could get to without being a really horrible team. Go 10-6 with a so-called game manager who can't get you to the Super Bowl and you're still in position where you can trade up to the 11-15 range.

But let's be more generous and expand the category to include all QBs taken in the first half of the 1st round. That adds Ben Roethlisberger. Now it's 9-8 in favor of QBs acquired via free agent or trade. Even if you expand the category to the entire 1st round, it only goes to 9-9 with the addition of Joe Flacco.

The bottom line is that it's a myth that teams have been more successful finding Super Bowl winning QBs by taking one in the first round than by getting them through other means. And it's definitely a myth that you have to have a bad record to be in position to find your QBotF.

And again none of this has anything to do with the conversation going on. You just came up with it out of no where
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**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 04:43 PM

Again find how many qb's with their original teams won a super bowl vs someone that has moved
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RunKC · 05-18-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I would have rather signed a guy like hasselback even without drafting someone. He could have won eight games and we wouldn't have to worry about him being here in three years. They would have had to keep looking
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Alex Smith>Matt Hasselbeck.

By far

patteeu · 05-18-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So? It may make the team quit looking for a qb.

Just like Carl and Scott.

I would have rather signed a guy like hasselback even without drafting someone. He could have won eight games and we wouldn't have to worry about him being here in three years. They would have had to keep looking
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I don't agree with your choose-to-lose philosophy.

**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Alex Smith>Matt Hasselbeck.

By far

I agree. But we could be stuck with a mediocre guy for years with Smith
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**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't agree with your choose-to-lose philosophy.

Where was I choosing to lose?

8 wins is 8 wins
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patteeu · 05-18-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Again find how many qb's with their original teams won a super bowl vs someone that has moved
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You're digging pretty deep when you have to include lucky late rounders to make a (shaky at best) case against so-called retreads.

**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 05:27 PM

And with hasselbeck we still would have our two seconds to try get qb's
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**SAUTO** · 05-18-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

You're digging pretty deep when you have to include lucky late rounders to make a (shaky at best) case against so-called retreads.

no I'm not. I'm actually going by what the conversation was about.
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patteeu · 05-18-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Where was I choosing to lose?

8 wins is 8 wins
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When you said you'd prefer to take Hasselbeck over Alex Smith even though you admit that Alex Smith is the better QB.

05-17-2013, 12:06 AM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1795912	10 Keys to Success or Failure for the 2013 Chiefs I think this upcoming season is filled with as much intrigue as any in the last 10+ years because of all the uncertainty at so many positions. I truly believe this team can be anywhere from 5-11 to 13-3 depending on how these factors play out... 1) Alex Myths ability to handle the workload that Andy Reids offense will demand. If he is able to continue the efficiency he had when be was throwing less in SF, but add to his attempts...he has a chance to help us win a lot against our schedule. Alex was on pace for a 26 touchdown and 3500 yard year in an offense that he would have been around 425 pass attempts the whole year and Andy will probably want another 100 pass attempts to be added to those. If he can't handle it and Andy Reid scales things back a notch we will still end up 7-9/8-8...but if he IS able to handle it and maintains the effectiveness he had last year with increased attempts, he could have a big year and guide us to a lot of wins. No doubt. 2) The defenses ability to take advantage of the scheme that should be predicated on getting more pressure than in years past by attacking more and sitting back less. Our linebacking corps are gonna straight up rape faces in this scheme. The players ability to change their mentality in how to play defense across the board is a huge factor...especially how soon they "get it" because this team can't afford to get into an early hole in the win loss column. 3) The usage of Eric Berry. I put this high on my list for a reason...the guy has been used incorrectly all three years in KC and if he is used correctly he should be an absolute game changer. This "third linebacker in the nickel" stuff needs to get gone and stay gone. This guy destroyed worlds at Tenneesee by taking the ball away and making huge hits and when Kiffen got there, be changed all that and Eric has been used that way ever since. The way we have used him has completely nullified his playmaking ability and speed in the center of the field. We need to have that ballhawk back there intercepting passes and taking them to the house, not playing in the box most the game. 4) Sean Smith and Dunte Robinsons ability to play effective coverage. This is another situation similar to that of Alex Myth IMO...in that it can go drastically good or bad. I think we will score some points this year and those two will be under pressure. These two can make the secondary a strength or weakness. 5) Jon Baldwin taking to coaching and starting to realize his potential. This kid has amazing upside, but at the moment he looks like a bust. I think this is a career defining year for him. If he is able to become a solid #2 that can make some plays for us, this offense should start to be fun to watch. If not, this will likely be his last year in KC. 6) The fringe guys from the last two years drafts starting to show up and play at an effective level. Guys like Powe, Hudson, Allen, Bailey, Stephenson and Brown. All of those guys have potential to be quality starters or valuable role players if they can take to new coaching. They also have the potential to all need replaced for varius reasons. 7) Andy Reid molding his playcalling to fit the talent we have on board and not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I think he can push Alex Myth to 500 pass attempts, but not much more. If we can have a 50:50 split or maybe 55:45 in favor of the pass, I think we can win games...if be tries to throw it 35 times per game...I'm not sure we can be as effective that way. 8) The tight ends living up to their billing. We have a chance to have one of the best TE groups in the NFL if Kelce and Fasano can bring to the field what they do on paper. This Kelce kid is huge and moves very well and seems to have very good hands and instincts...a real player if he can develop his skills and stay out of trouble. It speaks to the talent of the position group that Moeaki may be the third tight end. They should be able to help seal the edge with Eric Fisher and, a few plays later, catching a couple big yardage passes. If Kelce is as good as some think, we may really have something to see on offense. 9) The defensive line being able to generate pressure and get a push. Guys like Jackson, Bailey, Poe, Powe and Devito need to be able to take advantage of linemen trying to keep the linebackers in check. If we can get this position group to play with some intensity, this defense could be just nasty. If they aren't able to do so, teams will control the LOS on us and dictate the tempo. 10) Someone stepping up on special teams and becoming a playmaker. We have the coach that can design the plays to help our return game, but someone needs to step up and fill the role of Arenas while giving us some homerun ability. Maybe Wylie will be that guy...sure would be nice to have a threat as a returner again, it's been awhile.
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