Chiefs Tyler Bray > Geno Smith - Page 12

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-24-2013, 08:03 PM

...B-U-S-T, Bust Bust Bust Bust!

O.city · 08-30-2013, 09:28 PM

Bray needs ALOT of mechanical work before he can be anointed one thing or another. He's in a great spot to develop though.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-30-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And since when did trading an udfa for a 3rd round pick be considered giving him away?

This is a potential FRANCHISE QB. You don't trade those away unless you already have a young Aaron Rodgers that's already a badass and is gonna be your guy for a long time. We don't and never have had that. Keep him, develop him, see what he's got. We may have finally got something for once. Anyone that even thinks of trading this guy away is reeruned. If he fails, so what? We got him for FREE. Even if we didn't get him for free, he's showing potential. Don't trade a possible franchise QB away.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-30-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Bray needs ALOT of mechanical work before he can be anointed one thing or another. He's in a great spot to develop though.

Who's "anointing" him?

Tony Romo was exactly the same. If Parcells had started him in rookie season, he would have bounced out of the league.

Bray needs two years minimum before even stepping foot onto the field in a regular season game.

And "alot" isn't a word.

O.city · 08-30-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who's "anointing" him?

Tony Romo was exactly the same. If Parcells had started him in rookie season, he would have bounced out of the league.

Bray needs two years minimum before even stepping foot onto the field in a regular season game.

And "alot" isn't a word.

Sorry, forgot a space. It's hard to type with one hand on an iPad.

Look around. He'll, I got attacked last night when I answered spSaul saying that right now, if someone offered a 3rd rounder for bray, I'd do it.

O.city · 08-30-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

This is a potential FRANCHISE QB. You don't trade those away unless you already have a young Aaron Rodgers that's already a badass and is gonna be your guy for a long time. We don't and never have had that. Keep him, develop him, see what he's got. We may have finally got something for once. Anyone that even thinks of trading this guy away is reeruned. If he fails, so what? We got him for FREE. Even if we didn't get him for free, he's showing potential. Don't trade a possible franchise QB away.

So we got him for free, but trading that for a third round pick is crazy talk?

I'm not advocating trade him. I'm saying no matter who it is, if someone offers me a 3rd round pick for an udfa in the same offseason he was signed, before he even plays a snap, I'd do it

keg in kc · 08-30-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've liked Bray as a prospect much better than Smith from the get go. Bray has virtually an unlimited upside. It's up to him and the coaches to realize his potential.

The most amazing part about all of this is that he's only 21 years old. 21! The guy has shown flashes in preaseason so there's no reason to believe that he won't be at least a serviceable backup for a decade at minimum.

All he has to do is stay focused and grounded. If he can do that, the sky's the limit.

I was talking about Alex Smith. I still would have drafted Geno ahead of Bray.

As for Bray, we've seen more from him this preseason than we've seen from any other young Chiefs QB I can think of. It's easy to see why Stanzi didn't touch the field. Bray has more arm talent than any QB we've seen here, including starters, and I'd say it's by a fairly wide margin (Grbac of all people is probably the closest, it's too bad we couldn't meld trent green's head on that guy's shoulders).

O.city · 08-30-2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I was talking about Alex Smith. I still would have drafted Geno ahead of Bray.

Like someone brought up recently, if we are gonna be elite or bust, why would you rather have geno?

His ceiling isn't as high as bray, floor is much higher though. But again, if its elite or bust, who cares about floor?

Chiefaholic · 08-30-2013, 09:42 PM

Bray signed with arguably the best possible team for QB development. Despite his better accuracy and arm strength than Chief fans are accustomed to, he's NOT NFL ready at this time. He needs to learn the playbook, improve his footwork, adjust to NFL speed, learn to read defenses, and most importantly mature as a player. For the first time in a LONG time, I feel this organization has the guy with legitimate potential to be a future franchise caliber QB.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-30-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So we got him for free, but trading that for a third round pick is crazy talk?

I'm not advocating trade him. I'm saying no matter who it is, if someone offers me a 3rd round pick for an udfa in the same offseason he was signed, before he even plays a snap, I'd do it

This is a POSSIBLE FRANCHISE QB. And either way, if a player is showing potential, no matter if he's an UDFA or not, you don't just trade him because it's a high draft pick someone is willing to trade for. The guy you have (Bray) is already showing you something, while that future pick you acquired is an unknown. Just like a crap player can be taken in the high rounds, an UDFA can also be a great player. Just because it's a draft pick doesn't mean that player is gonna be better or offer you more than the guy you got off the street. A player showing you something is a player.

keg in kc · 08-30-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Like someone brought up recently, if we are gonna be elite or bust, why would you rather have geno?

His ceiling isn't as high as bray, floor is much higher though. But again, if its elite or bust, who cares about floor?

I don't know why anyone would think in terms of elite or bust. I certainly don't.

keg in kc · 08-30-2013, 09:46 PM

Total tangent, but NDSU might be about to beat Kansas State. This is insane.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-30-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic

Bray signed with arguably the best possible team for QB development. Despite his better accuracy and arm strength than Chief fans are accustomed to, he's NOT NFL ready at this time. He needs to learn the playbook, improve his footwork, adjust to NFL speed, learn to read defenses, and most importantly mature as a player. For the first time in a LONG time, I feel this organization has the guy with legitimate potential to be a future franchise caliber QB.

I don't think (I hope not anyway) that anyone is saying he starts right away. It took Aaron Rodgers three years. And it didn't matter if he was an UDFA, 1st round pick, found on a street in China. They kept him because of potential and his ceiling was super high.

okcchief · 08-30-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And since when did trading an udfa for a 3rd round pick be considered giving him away?

We've been looking for a QB for eternity. If we had taken Bray with a third found pick we'd still love the pick. I see no reason to trade him for a third. I dont want to see whats behind door 2 when I like whats behind door 1.

keg in kc · 08-30-2013, 09:49 PM

If we had Aaron Rodgers and not Alex Smith, you consider trading Bray. We need to think in terms of coaching up Bray so he can take over in 3-4 years, not what we can get for him right now. We aren't in a position to trade away potential like that. We are in a position to groom it. And we should.

okcchief · 08-30-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So we got him for free, but trading that for a third round pick is crazy talk?

I'm not advocating trade him. I'm saying no matter who it is, if someone offers me a 3rd round pick for an udfa in the same offseason he was signed, before he even plays a snap, I'd do it

Based on what you've seen you dont thonk Bray wouldnt have been worthy of a 3rd round pick if they drafted today? He's a guy you can mold at the most important position. I think you are way off base here.

08-24-2013, 08:03 PM
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Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $430027	Bray signed with arguably the best possible team for QB development. Despite his better accuracy and arm strength than Chief fans are accustomed to, he's NOT NFL ready at this time. He needs to learn the playbook, improve his footwork, adjust to NFL speed, learn to read defenses, and most importantly mature as a player. For the first time in a LONG time, I feel this organization has the guy with legitimate potential to be a future franchise caliber QB. __________________
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08-30-2013, 09:49 PM	#179
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	If we had Aaron Rodgers and not Alex Smith, you consider trading Bray. We need to think in terms of coaching up Bray so he can take over in 3-4 years, not what we can get for him right now. We aren't in a position to trade away potential like that. We are in a position to groom it. And we should.
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