Chiefs Defensive Line - Page 10

chuxtrux · 04-17-2009, 12:40 PM

If they do move Hali to OLB in the 3-4, who are they going to have in the trenches. Dorsey isn't really suited to play in the middle in that kind of defense, do they move him outside and put Tyler at NT? And I guess put McBride in the other DE spot? Not that the defensive line can get much worse than last year, but it is still the one spot on the team that I have no idea what they are going to do with.

Pioli Zombie · 04-17-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sure Tamba Hali is a nice dude and hard worker and all that but I don't see this great potential or ability.

Reminds me of Robert Ayers this year.

Oh come on, I saw Hali make a sack once in 2006. It was so great. He had another one later that same season!!!
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kcxiv · 04-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Well, this will be his last year in KC i believe if he doesn't figure something out. So we can look forward to that part. Hopefully he has the football smarts to figure out his place on the team and figures out what he can and cannot do.

Its not all that bad for him on this team in 09. Like i said, he plays like crap, he's gone and we look for his replacement. Maybe he will be drafted in the 4-5-6 rounds. NEver know.

bdeg · 04-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Tamba has a place in the new hybrid scheme. He can get a slight edge and sometimes get the corner on RT's. Having an end there will help sometimes, too. He comes in on 2nd & long, 3rd & long, usually passrushing the rt but dropping like maybe 10-20%

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the pick. But I don't think he's useless. rushing that side isn't that hard. Ideally we'd upgrade the #1 pass rusher, bump Vrabel to that spot, and have Hali as a backup.

Just Passin' By · 04-17-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's really hard for me to be positive about a player who isn't a great pass rusher that is also a liability against the run.

That's fine. It also has nothing to do with anything I just posted.

TheGuardian · 04-17-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Tamba has a place in the new hybrid scheme. He can get a slight edge and sometimes get the corner on RT's. Having an end there will help sometimes, too. He comes in on 2nd & long, 3rd & long, usually passrushing the rt but dropping like maybe 10-20%

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the pick. But I don't think he's useless. rushing that side isn't that hard. Ideally we'd upgrade the #1 pass rusher, bump Vrabel to that spot, and have Hali as a backup.

Rushing from the strongside spot or the LDE spot isn't hard????? Is that what you just said?

bdeg · 04-17-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Rushing from the strongside spot or the LDE spot isn't hard????? Is that what you just said?

Let me rephrase that. Relative to rushing from the RE spot, yes.

And I did say "isn't that hard"

Pioli Zombie · 04-17-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's really hard for me to be positive about a player who isn't a great pass rusher that is also a liability against the run.

Other than that he's fantastic!

Whatever he lacks in talent he makes up for by being injury prone.
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Mecca · 04-17-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Other than that he's fantastic!

Whatever he lacks in talent he makes up for by being injury prone.
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Ok you're cracking me up now, nice job.

Just Passin' By · 04-17-2009, 07:10 PM

Just for the record, here's my take on the front line/front 7 of the Chiefs for this upcoming season, and for the #3 draft pick. I posted it elsewhere today, but it will fit here, and it's based upon the idea of being unable to trade the pick away if that were the choice:

I guess the question would become whether or not K.C. thought Dorsey could play DE in the 3-4 and move about in "hybrid" formations.

I would think that a D-line with Raji and Dorsey, combined with having Thomas and Vrabel for linebackers, would be a good start for Pioli's first solo season. Combine that with Cassel Throwing to Bowe, Engram and Gonzalez, and Johnson running the ball when he's not abusing women, and K.C. could show some real improvement even if it doesn't translate to wins immediately.

On the other hand, if the Chiefs think Dorsey can hold up at NT, then putting Curry next to Thomas and Vrabel also makes a hell of a lot of sense, as Curry could learn from two of the very best in the game. To me, the K.C. pick really comes down to 2 things:

1.) Do the Chiefs think Cassel is the long term answer?

2.) Do the Chiefs think Dorsey can play NT?

If the answer to question #1 is no, look for them to draft Sanchez and let him sit for a year to learn the game. If the answer is yes, look for them to decide between Curry and Raji based upon question #2.

Of course, since I think I've got a feel for the situation, they'll trade out of the pick or draft a wide receiver.....

TheGuardian · 04-17-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Let me rephrase that. Relative to rushing from the RE spot, yes.

And I did say "isn't that hard"

Ok rushing from the LDE position is generally harder than rushing from the RDE spot (if you are looking at those position from the defensive side of the ball).

Look at the top 10 sackers each year and tell me how many are playing the RDE spot like Jared, and how many are playing the LDE spot like Hali. It's really an apples and orange comparison because those two positions are being asked to do different things.

TheGuardian · 04-17-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Just for the record, here's my take on the front line/front 7 of the Chiefs for this upcoming season, and for the #3 draft pick. I posted it elsewhere today, but it will fit here, and it's based upon the idea of being unable to trade the pick away if that were the choice:

I guess the question would become whether or not K.C. thought Dorsey could play DE in the 3-4 and move about in "hybrid" formations.

I would think that a D-line with Raji and Dorsey, combined with having Thomas and Vrabel for linebackers, would be a good start for Pioli's first solo season. Combine that with Cassel Throwing to Bowe, Engram and Gonzalez, and Johnson running the ball when he's not abusing women, and K.C. could show some real improvement even if it doesn't translate to wins immediately.

On the other hand, if the Chiefs think Dorsey can hold up at NT, then putting Curry next to Thomas and Vrabel also makes a hell of a lot of sense, as Curry could learn from two of the very best in the game. To me, the K.C. pick really comes down to 2 things:

1.) Do the Chiefs think Cassel is the long term answer?

2.) Do the Chiefs think Dorsey can play NT?

If the answer to question #1 is no, look for them to draft Sanchez and let him sit for a year to learn the game. If the answer is yes, look for them to decide between Curry and Raji based upon question #2.

Of course, since I think I've got a feel for the situation, they'll trade out of the pick or draft a wide receiver.....

Tank has already gone on record as saying Dorsey will be playing the under tackle spot. I think that question has been pretty much answered.

Just Passin' By · 04-17-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Tank has already gone on record as saying Dorsey will be playing the under tackle spot. I think that question has been pretty much answered.

What Tank says now and what actually happens are not guaranteed to be identical. It's not that I don't believe him, it's that I'm too familiar with the Parcells/Belichick tree maneuvers to bank on anything. My personal thought is that Raji makes the most sense for the Chiefs, but I'm not pretending to channel Pioli or anything, so I look at as many levels of alternatives as possible.

ChiefsCountry · 04-17-2009, 07:20 PM

Hali is a nice 4-3 DE. Solid #2, excellent #3. When he is your main end and rushing the passer you are screwed. 3-4 he is a fish out of water.

TheGuardian · 04-17-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

What Tank says now and what actually happens are not guaranteed to be identical. It's not that I don't believe him, it's that I'm too familiar with the Parcells/Belichick tree maneuvers to bank on anything. My personal thought is that Raji makes the most sense for the Chiefs, but I'm not pretending to channel Pioli or anything, so I look at as many levels of alternatives as possible.

Well I think he said that is what the coaches just told him. Since they lined up today it would be interesting to see if that is how they lined up.

Hmmmmm.......

TheGuardian · 04-17-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hali is a nice 4-3 DE. Solid #2, excellent #3. When he is your main end and rushing the passer you are screwed. 3-4 he is a fish out of water.

Not again..................

Take some time to read, that we are not going to be running a two gap 3-4 defense. Hali would essentially be playing the same position he has been.

04-17-2009, 12:40 PM
chuxtrux Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grbacs basement Casino cash: $10004990	Defensive Line If they do move Hali to OLB in the 3-4, who are they going to have in the trenches. Dorsey isn't really suited to play in the middle in that kind of defense, do they move him outside and put Tyler at NT? And I guess put McBride in the other DE spot? Not that the defensive line can get much worse than last year, but it is still the one spot on the team that I have no idea what they are going to do with.
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	Well, this will be his last year in KC i believe if he doesn't figure something out. So we can look forward to that part. Hopefully he has the football smarts to figure out his place on the team and figures out what he can and cannot do. Its not all that bad for him on this team in 09. Like i said, he plays like crap, he's gone and we look for his replacement. Maybe he will be drafted in the 4-5-6 rounds. NEver know.
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bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Tamba has a place in the new hybrid scheme. He can get a slight edge and sometimes get the corner on RT's. Having an end there will help sometimes, too. He comes in on 2nd & long, 3rd & long, usually passrushing the rt but dropping like maybe 10-20% Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the pick. But I don't think he's useless. rushing that side isn't that hard. Ideally we'd upgrade the #1 pass rusher, bump Vrabel to that spot, and have Hali as a backup.
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Just Passin' By In Search of a Life Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $5450524	Just for the record, here's my take on the front line/front 7 of the Chiefs for this upcoming season, and for the #3 draft pick. I posted it elsewhere today, but it will fit here, and it's based upon the idea of being unable to trade the pick away if that were the choice: I guess the question would become whether or not K.C. thought Dorsey could play DE in the 3-4 and move about in "hybrid" formations. I would think that a D-line with Raji and Dorsey, combined with having Thomas and Vrabel for linebackers, would be a good start for Pioli's first solo season. Combine that with Cassel Throwing to Bowe, Engram and Gonzalez, and Johnson running the ball when he's not abusing women, and K.C. could show some real improvement even if it doesn't translate to wins immediately. On the other hand, if the Chiefs think Dorsey can hold up at NT, then putting Curry next to Thomas and Vrabel also makes a hell of a lot of sense, as Curry could learn from two of the very best in the game. To me, the K.C. pick really comes down to 2 things: 1.) Do the Chiefs think Cassel is the long term answer? 2.) Do the Chiefs think Dorsey can play NT? If the answer to question #1 is no, look for them to draft Sanchez and let him sit for a year to learn the game. If the answer is yes, look for them to decide between Curry and Raji based upon question #2. Of course, since I think I've got a feel for the situation, they'll trade out of the pick or draft a wide receiver.....
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1661248	Hali is a nice 4-3 DE. Solid #2, excellent #3. When he is your main end and rushing the passer you are screwed. 3-4 he is a fish out of water.
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