Getting The Band Back Together

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let me get this straight?

You would be backing it if Pioli went full reerun in signing Haynesworth to that full reerun deal? How about Jason Brown to his reeruned deal? You think we had a chance at Canty or Igor? If you said yes, you know less about football than I thought and I have to reaccess my opinion of you.



This definitely changed my opinion of you.

It is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read about any topic; football or non football related, in my entire 31 year old life. Congratulations!

Why exactly do you claim to like this team, again?

All I see is a guy that hates everything to do with his, supposed, loved team!

Im not sure I have read anything from any of your posts in all the time I have been here that would indicate that you even like this team.

I hate to say it and with all due respect, you seem to have the attitude of a quitter. You seem to have no feelings of hope that we can get better and that we will be stuck eternally in the cellar. If so, why claim to like the team, just go ahead and sell me all your Chiefs stuff and you can go and buy your Sanchez jersey like everyone knows you want to.

If you dont like the Weis hire, hate is blinding your objectivity.


so, that is because he didnt want to win?

JFC

I forgot, his teams were always well below the salary cap and he just pocketed cash year in and year out without doing everything from his point of view to put good people in position to do a job for him and then somewhat let them do their job. If he medled in the affairs that are the GMs job, he would get criticized for it but because he tries to put the best man for the job in the position and let him work, he is the bad guy?

It has nothing to do with him being a bad guy, When I met him he was a nice guy but reguardless the team won only a few playoff games and he didn't do his job. He allowed Carl Peterson to hire his friends besides Marty I think every other coach Carl hired was a personal friend.

[Mecca]

I see that is a nerve for Boss Chief, I'm sorry I can't jump around with a happy hat on after a team being inept for upwards of 20 years.

Kinda makes you want evidence before you just you know say hey they know what they're doing.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

BossChief, you're going to have to get over the myth that this team was anything more than an investment and a passing hobby for Lamar for the last 30 years of his life.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by billay

It has nothing to do with him being a bad guy, When I met him he was a nice guy but reguardless the team won only a few playoff games and he didn't do his job. He allowed Carl Peterson to hire his friends besides Marty I think every other coach Carl hired was a personal friend.

dude, he got Vermeil in here and we were the ONLY team he didnt bring to a championship game/superbowl in his whole life!

UCLA
Philly
Rams
Chiefs

Marty was a Phillip Rivers away from a Championship team year in and year out. Too bad Joe couldnt have gotten here a little sooner.

I dont see how Lamar can be blamed for our team starting to suck after he passes and I damn sure wont sit idely by and let some bullshit mutherfuker sit from his moms basement on her computer and piss on the great mans grave!

Without the Hunts love for this fanbase and city, this team would have been moved to LA a long time ago.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.

I think if people had any clue how much of a gamble the draft is, they wouldn't complain nearly as much. And I think if you took 32 GMs, put them in the same scenario (you are the GM for said team, need these certain things and have this pick), most of them would come up with the same answer.

If it wasn't a total guessing game, The Steelers wouldn't have picked Rashard Mendenhall and would have gone with the RB the Titans got with the next freaking pick... Chris Johnson.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

dude, he got Vermeil in here and we were the ONLY team he didnt bring to a championship game/superbowl in his whole life!

UCLA
Philly
Rams
Chiefs

Marty was a Phillip Rivers away from a Championship team year in and year out. Too bad Joe couldnt have gotten here a little sooner.

I dont see how Lamar can be blamed for our team starting to suck after he passes and I damn sure wont sit idely by and let some bullshit mutherfuker sit from his moms basement on her computer and piss on the great mans grave!

Without the Hunts love for this fanbase and city, this team would have been moved to LA a long time ago.

If they loved this city so much, why don't they live here?

Jesus, take a Thorazine.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

I think if people had any clue how much of a gamble the draft is, they wouldn't complain nearly as much. And I think if you took 32 GMs, put them in the same scenario (you are the GM for said team, need these certain things and have this pick), most of them would come up with the same answer.

If it wasn't a total guessing game, The Steelers wouldn't have picked Rashard Mendenhall and would have gone with the RB the Titans with the next freaking pick... Chris Johnson.

Because the Steelers just got lucky.

It's not like they drafted Aaron Smith, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Keisel, Holmes, Ward, Timmons, Woodley, Mike Wallace, Ziggy Hood, or Ike Taylor.



They were looking for a power back in that spot. They had their speed guy in Parker. They needed a replacement for Bettis. They got the best power back available at that point in the draft.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Jesus, take a Thorazine.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

kill yourself.

Uh, better take one yourself while you're at it.

I'll take one too, it'll be fun.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because the Steelers just got lucky.

It's not like they drafted Aaron Smith, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Keisel, Holmes, Ward, Timmons, Woodley, Mike Wallace, Ziggy Hood, or Ike Taylor.



They were looking for a power back in that spot. They had their speed guy in Parker. They needed a replacement for Bettis. They got the best power back available at that point in the draft.

And you seriously think we could replicate these results with ANY sort of personnel Pittsburgh would be willing to give up? Do you not think EVERY SINGLE fuckING TEAM in the league is trying to do the same thing they are? The people who are good enough that make this stuff happen? Yeah, we're never going to get them, they are already taken. They will never leave the franchises they are from, so you have to find the best person AVAILABLE. You have to make your own Pittsburgh.

And like I said before. It must suck to hate the current regime this much cause they aren't going anywhere for a while. I suggest you stop watching if it infuriates you this much.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

BossChief, you're going to have to get over the myth that this team was anything more than an investment and a passing hobby for Lamar for the last 30 years of his life.

it does indeed strike a ****ing nerve with me because if they didnt care about winning, only money, they could have moved the team to LA and CASHED IN BIG TIME!

They didnt!

They spent their cash on Cassel and the best available GM candidate then tried to get the biggest FA out there signed till Scrooge McDuck came in on his white horse and his 100 million to get him no matter what. They spent 100s of millions to update the historic Arrowhead instead of blowing it up and spending that money in a market that is 100 times bigger than KCs or just destroying the stadium and its history and building a brand new one without any history, thats love!

Lamar Hunt lived in Texas and flew in for EVERY game and cheered like a HS kid when we scored. He was a great owner! We almost never lost our own players, we just didnt have the people in place to draft like the great teams did. Lamar trusted CP more and longer than he should have, but he knew his history of building winners and trusted him to do his job to the best of his ability. I think he was sold into CPs slickness and made a mistake when we had the whole Marty/CP blowup, but whatever.

Say all you want about Clark, I have reserved judgement on him, but dont piss on Lamars grave!

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.

Not quite true. The Pats have a mixture of young and old, but it just so happens that a lot of the youth is in the defensive backfield, and the front four aren't getting enough pressure on the QB so the DBs are getting exposed.

Don't get me wrong, the Pats drafts have been hit-or-miss, as I posted elsewhere. But they've hit on some late-rounders, and made some nice FA pickups. It's not just all about the draft. The question--yet to be answered--is whether or not Pioli can draft on his own. One draft does not make a great indicator.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Wha??

Parcells never won a playoff game w/o Belichick. Not one. Despite having the same guys almost everywhere else wherever he went, he never replicated that success.

And Belichick has never won a Super Bowl without Weis and Crennel. You can play the "what if" game all you like.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Kinda makes you want evidence before you just you know say hey they know what they're doing.

I think I got the just of this, but damn....

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because the Steelers just got lucky.

It's not like they drafted Aaron Smith, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Keisel, Holmes, Ward, Timmons, Woodley, Mike Wallace, Ziggy Hood, or Ike Taylor.



They were looking for a power back in that spot. They had their speed guy in Parker. They needed a replacement for Bettis. They got the best power back available at that point in the draft.

I still hold to my belief that they got a STEAL in Mendenhall at that point...

looking back, I may have underestimated Chris Johnson... but I also think he benifits enormously by having Vince Young as a running threat in the backfield...

That said.. Mendenhall is proving to be a far better back than McFadden or Jones. Personally, I'd rather have him over Rice, Stewart or Forte as well.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

BossChief, you're going to have to get over the myth that this team was anything more than an investment and a passing hobby for Lamar for the last 30 years of his life.

I think Lamar loved the Chiefs. If he didn't, he wouldn't have fought to keep a moderately profitable in Kansas City in Arrowhead, rather than ship them off to a major market. Which I'm sure he had millions of opportunities to do.

His flaw is and always will be that he, like Carl Peterson, let loyalty get in the way of business. He let Carl Peterson run the entire show for too long and to run pretty much unchecked.