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Old 10-09-2011, 12:19 PM  
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I'm going to go ahead and call it...
Todd Haley will be fired within a month. Possibly before our next game.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:21 PM   #151
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I also love how the fact that most of the talent on the team was acquired before Pioli was here is a weakness. As if that's somehow a negative on Pioli.
The negative part is he hasn't continued to add to that talent at a rate that can make us competitive for a playoff win much less a Superbowl. If it wasn't for Eric Berry being a completely no doubt, obvious pick at 5, Pioli would look REALLY shitty right now.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:26 PM   #152
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You're right, he probably should have used the scouting staff that was scouting for a power-blocking running offensive scheme and a 4-3 defensive scheme.

While the draft was awful, I would contend the majority of the blame lies with Clark for that one. Further, 2009 was amongst the weakest draft classes in recent history.

Further, how you can pass a verdict on the 2010 second round is beyond me. I was very critical of McCluster and Arenas as second round picks. However, even I will give them three years before declaring them busts.
Not calling them busts, but they are not looking good. So far, it looks like we got one solid return guy out of those two 2nds, one of which was so high it was practically a 1st.

Also, Everybody was floored at the Tyson Jackson pick. I didn't need a crew of scouts to tell me that was an outrageous reach. That was common knowledge as soon as it came out of Goodell's mouth. As it turned out it was even worse than we thought, but even by just common sense standards, that was bad. As for the 2nd pick that year that he spent on Cassel, how much more scouting time did he need for that one? This scouting team BS is a cop out. If he had a mediocre 09 draft or even pretty bad, that would be one thing. He had a collossal failure of a draft. Again, not saying I'm done with Pioli, but I'm not going to excuse that shit.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:26 PM   #153
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The negative part is he hasn't continued to add to that talent at a rate that can make us competitive for a playoff win much less a Superbowl. If it wasn't for Eric Berry being a completely no doubt, obvious pick at 5, Pioli would look REALLY shitty right now.
So you don't like any other draft pick?
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:29 PM   #154
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So you don't like any other draft pick?
I'm not saying that. I'm saying as a whole Pioli has had a pretty weak draft record here. Some good picks, one fantastic but obvious pick and some uses of draft picks that have seriously set back a franchise that was weak to begin with. I'm hoping Baldwin makes him look good, and I have high hopes for that, but we'll see.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:27 PM   #155
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I'll call it. I think Haley is gonna be a hell of a head coach. I hope it's here.
I completely agree. So he made a bad decision how to deal with the shorted off season. I think Pioli will keep him around.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:33 PM   #156
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I completely agree. So he made a bad decision how to deal with the shorted off season. I think Pioli will keep him around.
So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.
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So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.
Yep we are. And this isn't going to be a horrible losing season.
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So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.
You expected a winning season in 2009?
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So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.
As much as I am for us getting Luck, it's a little early to call this a "horrible losing season." If Pioli looks at a 2-3 record and fires his coach because he considers this a losing season, then he is serious dumb****.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:42 PM   #160
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As much as I am for us getting Luck, it's a little early to call this a "horrible losing season." If Pioli looks at a 2-3 record and fires his coach because he considers this a losing season, then he is serious dumb****.
This is going to be a horrible losing season. Make no mistake. We can't play winless losers every week.
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So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.
He hasn't had two horrible seasons yet.
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This is going to be a horrible losing season. Make no mistake. We can't play winless losers every week.
I think you are right, but firing the HC because he will probably have a losing season is insanity. It will not happen. Haley might get fired, but it will be at the end of the season if he does.
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So we're going to extend a coach who had two horrible losing seasons in three years?

No.
How can you blame him for 2009? Throwing that mark on his resume, when I am pretty sure you didn't last year, is a little extreme.

Question, how many wins should a coach in Haley's position right now have with Cassel and without Berry/Charles get this season? Honestly. What should the Chiefs record be with Cassel at the helm?

Haley's plan shit the bed and it made us lose bad the first two weeks. Looking at the Bills and Lions, its not crazy to see that we lost to them with Cassel and without Berry and then with Cassel and without Berry/Charles. Its just the way it happened. Looking at the team playing now, I don't think they lose by as much.

If Haley had a good QB and Berry/Charles do you really think we would be struggling right now? I really don't. I don't want him fired because of that situation. If we had a good QB and a healthy core, I think we are 3-2 at the VERY least. I don't think its insane to say that we could have won 1 of the first 2 games with a real QB and both our stars. Neither of those games were out of hand early and those 3 players could have changed the course. So for me, its not Haley.

I want Haley haters to answer the questions in bold. Not because I think there is no answer, but because the answer to those questions is how I will know where you are thinking-wise and if its reasonable.
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How can you blame him for 2009? Throwing that mark on his resume, when I am pretty sure you didn't last year, is a little extreme.
The Chiefs lost six games that year by a TD or less.

Haley did not even start Jamaal Charles until Week 10.

He also made dumbass decisions on OC and DC.

So yeah, part of the blame for that season goes to Haley.
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