Overall Evaluation of our 2009 Draft picks.

[chiefsfan1963]

Jackson seems to be the real deal. How about the rest of our picks?

I would love to hear what our insightful posters takes are.
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[Mecca]

I will still never figure out how guys like Robinson and Meredith fell as far as they did.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The other thing that people are completely overlooking are the economics of scale when it comes to investing in players.

If you take Parcells' theory that there are only so many men on the earth that are a given size with a given athleticism, which nearly every personnel guy does, then you also have to look at the number of teams that will want people of specific builds for their schemes.

With so many teams in the NFL moving to a 3-4, it made identifying and finding talent for the 3-4 precipitously more difficult than in years past. Whereas before you really only had to contend with New England, Pittsburgh, Dallas and to a lesser extent, Baltimore for 3-4 talent, now you also have to worry about:

Miami, Cleveland, San Diego, NYJ, Green Bay, Denver, and San Fran and Arizona run hybrids.

So, you have a huge increase in demand for a relatively fixed asset. That will make 3-4 players more expensive (particularly NTs) and more difficult to find.

Had you stayed in a 4-3, you would have had the same amount of talent, with far fewer suitors, particularly for your linebacking corps.

What the Chiefs, and many other teams have done this year is the exact opposite of Moneyball--they are chasing trends after they've been established rather than being ahead of the curve and getting players with certain skillsets that are undervalued by the demands of the market.

[Mecca]

Basically what the Chiefs are doing is if you were fantasy drafting and 8 WR's went in front of you, you decided you better take one too.

[salame]

it's a run on defenses!

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

The fact that they chose to move him to RG in the second week of training camp pretty much tells us that they realized that he can't play RT, and indicates that the selection was a bad one.

Here's where you went off track.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The other thing that people are completely overlooking are the economics of scale when it comes to investing in players.

If you take Parcells' theory that there are only so many men on the earth that are a given size with a given athleticism, which nearly every personnel guy does, then you also have to look at the number of teams that will want people of specific builds for their schemes.

With so many teams in the NFL moving to a 3-4, it made identifying and finding talent for the 3-4 precipitously more difficult than in years past. Whereas before you really only had to contend with New England, Pittsburgh, Dallas and to a lesser extent, Baltimore for 3-4 talent, now you also have to worry about:

Miami, Cleveland, San Diego, NYJ, Green Bay, Denver, and San Fran and Arizona run hybrids.

So, you have a huge increase in demand for a relatively fixed asset. That will make 3-4 players more expensive (particularly NTs) and more difficult to find.

Had you stayed in a 4-3, you would have had the same amount of talent, with far fewer suitors, particularly for your linebacking corps.

What the Chiefs, and many other teams have done this year is the exact opposite of Moneyball--they are chasing trends after they've been established rather than being ahead of the curve and getting players with certain skillsets that are undervalued by the demands of the market.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is quality.

Rep.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is quality.

Rep.

Other than the improper use of the term "economies of scale". Yeah. Good points there.

I brought it up a few times in that with all the teams switching to 3-4, I have no freaking clue where we are going to get a nose tackle. Especially if Terrance Cody isn't all he's cracked up to be.


I'm not nearly as up to date as Hamas and some other guys out there, but from my understanding, NT is the key. Those are the hardest guys to find.

I've heard that 3-4 OLBs are relatively easy to find. Elite guys like roidman aren't, of course, but from my understanding, it is easier to find servicable guys there than DE and DT.

Also haven't heard too much concern about the secondary other than they have to have better coverage skills than they do in the tampa 2.

I think we ought to be in decent shape personnel wise if we can get a NT. That is assuming Tyler doesn't work out, which is probable.

Also, does anyone know if there are major sticking points for draftees switching from a college 4-3 to a pro 3-4? I know lots of DEs become OLBs and have to learn to play from a 2 point stance.
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[keg in kc]

I don't think the Chiefs are chasing the trend so much as they're going towards the strengths and preferences of their front office and coaching staff. It just happens that both Pioli and Haley are 3-4 guys, and to go another way would have meant hiring different people. Personally, I'm all for hiring the best guys, regardless of the system they run, which is what I think Clark did, over hiring guys simply because they fit a certain niche, whether it's the 4-3 or the 3-4. Hire the best and let them do what they do best. Which is what's happening. We'll see how well it worked in the next couple of years.

[ChiefaRoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What have YOU got to say, ****Face?

Let's hear it.

Dane, remember the new regime used holdovers from the Carl administration. Most of those people were fired after the draft.

[KCDC]

Yeah, taking a RT at #3 is too high. Taking TJ was too high there too.

We'd have been better off convincing the Jets to give us the package they sent to the Browns for #5 (Sanchez) and taking an OL at the Jets pick and then having the extra picks.

[Nightfyre]

Ron Brace in the second round was an amazing pick. I wish we'd have had the forethought to make a move and snag him.

I have to think, given piolis approach to the draft, there is a 2-3 year plan in place.
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[milkman]

Originally Posted by TFG

To you, McSUK is a "serviceable" ORT.

To me, that makes you a ****ing idiot, and destrroys any credibility you might have had.

But then, that's just me, dumbass.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Here's where you went off track.

Uh...no I didn't.

They almost certainly had no intention of moving to RG when they drafted him, but inevitably came to the conclusion he can't play RT in the NFL, so they did move him.

They selected a RT but got a RG, at best.

It was bad decision to selct him ahead of other, actual, potential RTs.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The other thing that people are completely overlooking are the economics of scale when it comes to investing in players.

If you take Parcells' theory that there are only so many men on the earth that are a given size with a given athleticism, which nearly every personnel guy does, then you also have to look at the number of teams that will want people of specific builds for their schemes.

With so many teams in the NFL moving to a 3-4, it made identifying and finding talent for the 3-4 precipitously more difficult than in years past. Whereas before you really only had to contend with New England, Pittsburgh, Dallas and to a lesser extent, Baltimore for 3-4 talent, now you also have to worry about:

Miami, Cleveland, San Diego, NYJ, Green Bay, Denver, and San Fran and Arizona run hybrids.

So, you have a huge increase in demand for a relatively fixed asset. That will make 3-4 players more expensive (particularly NTs) and more difficult to find.

Had you stayed in a 4-3, you would have had the same amount of talent, with far fewer suitors, particularly for your linebacking corps.

What the Chiefs, and many other teams have done this year is the exact opposite of Moneyball--they are chasing trends after they've been established rather than being ahead of the curve and getting players with certain skillsets that are undervalued by the demands of the market.

I'm going to assume you meant to talk about "scarcity" instead of "scale." Otherwise you typed a bunch of gibberish.

And there are way to many variables involved in the league for you argument to be very compelling beyond a general "eh"....even as abstract arguments go, it posses little explanatory power for what we see in the NFL....and I'm not even sure how'd you go about cramming the square peg of "money ball" into the round hole of the NFL....

mostly seems like a hurried excuse to remain vaguely unhappy for reasons I have yet to make sense of....in other words, you fit right in on the Planet as it currently proceeds through a rather ugly case of Post Traumatic Carl syndrome....

but raised on cocks does think it is a brilliant point, which should be a big ass shrieking alarm to anyone's common sense....


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i like you, and respect your opinions, and I'm glad you're back posting...this place is better for it

i'm trying not to be an asshole to everyone (just that clueless fuktard raised on anal rape), or you specifically, but i can't help be befuddled by the shoddy complaining that has absorbed this place ever since we all got what we always said we wanted: a house cleaning and a new way of business..it's like Darwin waching evolution in fast forward as ever more abstract and dubious arguments are born in a furious attempt to be unhappy about the shitty job of getting knee deep in shit and cleaning up a shit pile...


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(and if only there was some way pioli could be informed about parcell's "theories" about the nfl....alas, there seems no way to bring the two together....)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The Talking Clap: I'm going to assume you meant to talk about "scarcity" instead of "scale." Otherwise you typed a bunch of gibberish.

And there are way to many variables involved in the league for you argument to be very compelling beyond a general "eh"....even as abstract arguments go, it posses little explanatory power for what we see in the NFL....and I'm not even sure how'd you go about cramming the square peg of "money ball" into the round hole of the NFL....

mostly seems like a hurried excuse to remain vaguely unhappy for reasons I have yet to make sense of....in other words, you fit right in on the Planet as it currently proceeds through a rather ugly case of Post Traumatic Carl syndrome....

Who's writing gibberish here, you stupid mother****er? What the **** is this shit?
Can I get a "Talking Clap to English Dictionary" to decipher your ****ing hillbilly Sanskrit?

Go **** the knothole of an AIDS Tree you stupid one who sucks the penis.