Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 12

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

You really want to give Pioli credit for the above bolded sentence? Seriously? Our GM is throwing away an entire season, and purposely brought in players he knew weren't winners, and you want to give him credit for this?

Wow.

I'm in amazement of how many fans are justifying a "throw away" season in which zero progress has been made, all for the sake of hope for the future. **** you Carl Peterson.

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**HemiEd** · 12-16-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Next question for Dees, Dane, OTW and Goat (or anyone else that is arguing against Pioli)

In this situation, what should Clark do? Give him another year? Can him now? If Pioli is the problem, what is the solution?

Have you been absent? I can already tell you the answer, he needs to sell the team.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Give Pioli credit for this at least; he knew this team wasn't going anywhere this year

Yeah they PLANNED to suck so they could deal with blackouts in December.

BULLSHIT.

Chiefnj2 · 12-16-2009, 11:23 AM

This year is clearly an evaluation of leftover talent. You'd have to be blind not to see this. I think the talent level was a little worse than they anticipated. Every coach thinks that they can coach up players better than existing players. They erred.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

This year is clearly an evaluation of leftover talent. You'd have to be blind not to see this. I think the talent level was a little worse than they anticipated. Every coach thinks that they can coach up players better than existing players. They erred.

What?

So Pioli brings in 45 players but all he really wants to evaluate are Flowers, Carr, Dorsey, Charles, Cottam, Albert, Niswanger, Waters, Hali, Page and Bowe?

How does that make sense in any way, shape or form?

People are really reaching.

Pioli's first season SUCKED ASS.

Plain and simple.

Reerun_KC · 12-16-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What?

So Pioli brings in 45 players but all he really wants to evaluate are Flowers, Carr, Dorsey, Charles, Cottam, Albert, Niswanger, Waters, Hali, Page and Bowe?

How does that make sense in any way, shape or form?

People are really reaching.

Pioli's first season SUCKED ASS.

Plain and simple.

So you saying we should fire Pioli now?

Chiefnj2 · 12-16-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What?

So Pioli brings in 45 players but all he really wants to evaluate are Flowers, Carr, Dorsey, Charles, Cottam, Albert, Niswanger, Waters, Hali, Page and Bowe?

How does that make sense in any way, shape or form?

People are really reaching.

Pioli's first season SUCKED ASS.

Plain and simple.

He wanted to evaluate the last few years of draft picks to see if they could adjust to the new schemes. Once it became apparent they couldn't, they moved them and/or released them - Turk, Tank, McIntosh, Pollard (although likely Haley setting a tone), etc.

You don't think it's wise to evaluate top 100 draft players to see if they can cut it in the new system?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He wanted to evaluate the last few years of draft picks to see if they could adjust to the new schemes. Once it became apparent they couldn't, they moved them and/or released them - Turk, Tank, McIntosh, Pollard (although likely Haley setting a tone), etc.

You don't think it's wise to evaluate top 100 draft players to see if they can cut it in the new system?

So you're saying he couldn't do that, AND draft/sign some talented players?

It has to be one or the other?

Christ, there's 53 spots on an active roster. You're talking about a handful of players.

Reerun_KC · 12-16-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So you're saying he couldn't do that, AND draft/sign some talented players?

It has to be one or the other?

Christ, there's 53 spots on an active roster. You're talking about a handful of players.

After years and years of fail under Carl... I had higher hopes for Pioli than this. I knew it was impossible (not even Jesus himself) could turn the losing culture around in one offseason....

Thankfully Clark is a patient owner and will give Pioli and Haley time to turn this around. It will cause mass grief and panic when Pioli is retained this offseason. The fallout is going to be fun to watch...

Nixhex · 12-16-2009, 11:51 AM

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

After years and years of fail under Carl... I had higher hopes for Pioli than this. I knew it was impossible (not even Jesus himself) could turn the losing culture around in one offseason....

Thankfully Clark is a patient owner and will give Pioli and Haley time to turn this around. It will cause mass grief and panic when Pioli is retained this offseason. The fallout is going to be fun to watch...

WTF are you talking about?

Pioli's not going anywhere, nor should he.

What he SHOULD do is pull his head out of his ass and find talented ****ing players for this franchise.

This "losing culture" bullshit is overblown. It's a ****ing cliche.

Losing culture = shitty players

Winning culture = talented players

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

So you saying we should fire Pioli now?

Clark is not going to fire Pioli after one year. He's still owe him $20 million.

That's just not an option.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He wanted to evaluate the last few years of draft picks to see if they could adjust to the new schemes. Once it became apparent they couldn't, they moved them and/or released them - Turk, Tank, McIntosh, Pollard (although likely Haley setting a tone), etc.

You don't think it's wise to evaluate top 100 draft players to see if they can cut it in the new system?

I definitely think it's wise to evaluate top 100 draft players. However, I still expect the GM of the Decade to be able to do this in less than a year, and be able to do other facets of the job at the same time. Especially with ample film to review of each of those players. Actual game film even(Since Herm played the young guys). Other teams manage to do considerable evaluation during the offseason and training camp, so that by the time the season starts, they have a general idea of what they have and what they don't have. It was obvious to everyone that we had considerable weaknesses in several areas. In no way should it take an entire year to evaluate all of those. And those weaknesses were addressed by no-talent castoffs from Pioli and Haley's previous teams, instead of in FA and the draft when talent was readily available there.

It definitely takes time to evaluate some portions of the team. But to neglect such glaring and obvious needs when they could have been addressed logically and timely cannot be excused. You're spreading this excuse way too thin.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:09 PM

If it's an evaluation year quickly explain to me why Mike Brown keeps starting...why are young players on the bench?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If it's an evaluation year quickly explain to me why Mike Brown keeps starting...why are young players on the bench?

Or why it took an injury to get Mike Goff off the field.

Or why brokedick Vrabel continues to start.

Or why it took a gay slur to get Charles on the field.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2031115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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