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Old 12-13-2011, 10:33 PM  
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Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites?
So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads.

In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing.

Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:14 AM   #211
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I certainly don't think Fisher is as aggressive as someone like Sean Payton... but he's not Marty either. People equate physical football to Martyball. Just because he ran the ball a lot, his teams would still take shots downfield, take risks, throw in a surprise onside kick or trick play. I don't think a Marty team would've tried the music city miracle play. Fisher also had success with 1st round QBs, even Young who he didn't want. To me Fisher is closer to Rex Ryan than Marty.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:20 AM   #212
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:26 AM   #213
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Yuck. The Jets are the most boring team in the NFL.
With a Schottenheimer at OC.

Imagine that.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:33 AM   #214
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I would rather have us hire Romeo Crennel than hire Jeff Fisher.

It took a miracle and a blown call for his team to have ever even gotten to the superbowl.

Other than that, he was a poor mans Marty Schottenheimer.

You know who I think would be a fantastic hire (if he wasnt old as dirt)?

Dick Vermiel.

Think of Vermiels offense with this defense to back it up.

I bet Dick could make Stanzi a rockstar...a 23 year old Trent Green would be nice to have.
Uh Vermeil wouldnl't want to spend the money on defense. We would end up right back where we were. Vermeil would want all of these players for his offense and to put them on the squad the rest of our play makers on defense would have to go to have the money for them.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:35 AM   #215
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Uh Vermeil wouldnl't want to spend the money on defense. .
Stupid post. When Gun became the DC under Vermeil, Peterson went out and got every player that Gun wanted.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:36 AM   #216
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Wait; Tim Tebow or Aaron Curry is applying for the HC position?

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Old 12-14-2011, 10:47 AM   #217
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This is all a misunderstanding.


Clark Hunt has been watching his DVR Game Of Thrones season, and Haley's beard confused him and he thought he was actually surprising Chief fans by lopping off Ned Stark's head.

It works for fan interest in that show, he's trying to replicate success.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:09 AM   #218
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"Guru" and "genius" are are the product of the talent that plays for them on the field.

Billick was never able to bring his "genius" to Baltimore, because Ozzie Newsome never came close to providing him with the talent that he worked with in Minnesota..

In Baltimore, had mediocre skill position players, especially at QB, except RB, an outstanding O-Line to block for that RB, and one of the best defenses in the NFL.

He adapted.

The thing that separated him from guys like Marty and Jeff Fisher, was that he was not afraid to take a risk in the effort to reach the SB.

Where Fisher simply got lucky to win a hard fought contest with Music City Miracle, Brian Billick, in a low scoring hard fought game took a chance.

In a situation that Marty and Fisher would simply have run the ball 3 times and punted, Billick from the Ravens 12 yard line, with a medicre Trent Dilfer, ran slant play that caught the Raiders off guard, and it turned into an 88 yard TD pass.

Tight sphincters, in all probability, lose that game.
Nailed it. Great post.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:24 AM   #219
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Stupid post. When Gun became the DC under Vermeil, Peterson went out and got every player that Gun wanted.
After Vermeil had gotten rid of the talent we had. Yeah he went out and got old worthless cheap players. Not stars, young and up and comers. The money was already spent on the offensive side of the ball. Vermeil believed that the LB position was not very important.
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Stupid post. When Gun became the DC under Vermeil, Peterson went out and got every player that Gun wanted.
Goonther came back after how many years of Greg Robinson and Carl made Vermeil get rid of Robinson. Vermeil was as anti defense as Herm was anti offense.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:29 AM   #221
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After Vermeil had gotten rid of the talent we had. Yeah he went out and got old worthless cheap players. Not stars, young and up and comers. The money was already spent on the offensive side of the ball. Vermeil believed that the LB position was not very important.
Yet the two biggest free agent signings on defense during the Vermeil era were Kendrell Bell and Shawn Barber. Both were young & up coming players, and they drafted Derrick Johnson. Yet LB was not very important to them?
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Yet the two biggest free agent signings on defense during the Vermeil era were Kendrell Bell and Shawn Barber. Both were young & up coming players, and they drafted Derrick Johnson. Yet LB was not very important to them?
Man you guys and your memories aren't very good. Kendrell Bell yeah he was 26 but he had blown out his knee 3 times before we signed him. The Steelers didn't want him anymore because of his knees. Not a good signing.
Barber was 28 when we signed him. The guy stayed injured. I had hopes for him. But still you guys are talking about LB the cheapest position on the field. We drafted Derrick in Vermeil's last year.
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What old LBs did the Chief bring in to start under Vermeil after Cadrez the first year? In 2002, it was Fujitia, Maslowski and Patton. Patton got cut, they signed Barber got younger again the next year with Kawika Mitchell.

Also what defense talent did Vermeil let go of? Donnie Edwards. That would be it.
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Goonther came back after how many years of Greg Robinson and Carl made Vermeil get rid of Robinson. Vermeil was as anti defense as Herm was anti offense.
2001 - kc gave up draft picks for Vermeil and Green. 1st pick that they had was defense - Downing.
2002 - Sims and Freeman were the 1st and 2nd round picks.
2003 - Mtichell in the 2nd and Battle in the 3rd.
2004 - first pick was Siavii, then Fox and Allen in 3rd and 4th.

They may have drafted extremely poorly, but they certainly were not anti-defense whatsoever.
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