Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 16

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Whats it say when you basically repeat the same draft in a row aside from a few guys? The Washington, Brown, McConnell picks look like a total waste.

Brown is in no way a waste, unless he ends up on IR once again this season. Even then, he's under contract for at least four more years.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry.

I guarantee that was what was going on in their minds.

I've spoken to quite a few of my friends in the college ranks that have ties to the NFL and the way most of these guys see it, if THEIR guy is on the board, they get him.

I'm not saying that they're right or wrong with that approach but I think that if Moeaki performs as expected, it would have been silly for them to think "Well, if we take Moeaki, we may not have a chance at X player 50 picks down the line".

That kind of thinking paralyzes teams into making bad choices.

Thing is Moleaki wasn't there they had to give up picks. Just like they gave up picks for Jake O'Connell. Really is the tight end position worth four picks for a team with this many holes?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

How about I pose it here for both of you direct and to the point...

If we picked Kindle at 2a (or hell even 2B) and he was injured would you be bitching about wasting a pick on a player we knew had been injured before?

mmaddog
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Begging the question is a logical fallacy

CarlPeterson_fan · 04-25-2010, 02:57 PM

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chris · 04-25-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

This

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry.

I guarantee that was what was going on in their minds.

I've spoken to quite a few of my friends in the college ranks that have ties to the NFL and the way most of these guys see it, if THEIR guy is on the board, they get him.

I'm not saying that they're right or wrong with that approach but I think that if Moeaki performs as expected, it would have been silly for them to think "Well, if we take Moeaki, we may not have a chance at X player 50 picks down the line".

That kind of thinking paralyzes teams into making bad choices.

That's not a defensible line of thinking. If anything, it's an admission of their incompetence and it could be seen as impugning the selection of Moeaki, not supporting it.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Brown is in no way a waste, unless he ends up on IR once again this season. Even then, he's under contract for at least four more years.

Is he going to replace Waters, Lilja or Asmogha? Don't forget the picks we gave up for Allenmen and Ndwuke.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, then let me put it this way:

If you don't know who the player is, you shouldn't offer an opinion.

Probably true but this is what a message board is for. After people really learned about this kid most people including myself think it was a good pick and are excited. This guy is probably more explosive than most of the WR's in the draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Probably true but this is what a message board is for. After people really learned about this kid most people including myself think it was a good pick and are excited. This guy is probably more explosive than most of the WR's in the draft.

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**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What I can't understand is why you'd pass up not only Kindle, but Linval Joseph, Daryl Washington, Everson Griffen, Terrance Cody, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, etc. multiple times.

It's obvious why: They felt that they needed a guy that could line up at QB, RB and WR, that offered immense versatility more than a NT at this time.

They felt like they needed a dynamic returner and nickel back more than a NT at this time.

They felt like they needed a stud ****ing guard more than a NT at this time.

And on and on and on.

You can disagree all you want with their line of thinking but don't discount the fact that they addressed areas of concern with smart, proven, dedicated football players.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But with that said, I'm not going to pretend that someone like Cam Thomas, a fifth rounder, would have even been on their board in the fifth.And even if he was, that shouldn't paralyze any GM from doing what they think is right at any given moment in the draft.

If it isn't obvious now to everyone it should be. The reasons why the Chiefs passed on Kindle, Cody and Cam was because of character concerns. Agree or disagree with that approach but it is what it is.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Is he going to replace Waters, Lilja or Asmogha? Don't forget the picks we gave up for Allenmen and Ndwuke.

Here's the way I see the line:

Albert/Asamoah/Niswanger/Brown/O'Callaghan.

If Brown can't beat out Lilja, then Lilja will start at right guard. I think Waters is depth this year or cut loose altogether. I can't understand why Faneca was waived but Waters wasn't.

As for Allenman and Nsukwe, it was a wasted 6th round pick. I think the only way Nsukwe makes the club is as a backup player at right guard and right tackle or injury to one of the starters in preseason.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

So let me pose theses questions to you...

1) Are you a paid evaluator of college football talent? (If yes, skip question 2)

2) Are you a football coach at University/College/HS? (If yes, skip question 3)

3) What makes you any more knowledgeable than any other amateur draft evaluator?

mmaddog
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Appealing to authority is also a logical fallacy.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You can disagree all you want with their line of thinking but don't discount the fact that they addressed areas of concern with smart, proven, dedicated football players.

"You just gotta trust the process".

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-25-2010, 03:06 PM

The one pick that pissed me off more than any other was Javier Arenas. The more I see this kid though, the less I dislike the pick. I HATE the value of McCluster and Arenas both, but I think they're both going to be contributors to the team.

Arenas in particular is someone I'm growing very warm too. The reason for that is not so much his return ability, I saw that right away. If this guy can blitz the QB from the nickel spot and have half the success he had in college, he's going to be a force.

Overall, it is what it is and I'm going to get behind the newest Chiefs. I reserve the right to resume my shit talking should this team come out looking like last year's team did.

And I still think we're looking at the worst rush defense in the league. That's going to automatically make the pass defense better and people will say mission accomplished. That's flawed logic IMO.

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Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	The one pick that pissed me off more than any other was Javier Arenas. The more I see this kid though, the less I dislike the pick. I HATE the value of McCluster and Arenas both, but I think they're both going to be contributors to the team. Arenas in particular is someone I'm growing very warm too. The reason for that is not so much his return ability, I saw that right away. If this guy can blitz the QB from the nickel spot and have half the success he had in college, he's going to be a force. Overall, it is what it is and I'm going to get behind the newest Chiefs. I reserve the right to resume my shit talking should this team come out looking like last year's team did. And I still think we're looking at the worst rush defense in the league. That's going to automatically make the pass defense better and people will say mission accomplished. That's flawed logic IMO.
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