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Old 03-26-2014, 10:46 AM   #1
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It's way to soon to say he was/is a bust, that's ridiculous.

No one here is saying they hope the guy fails, that's also ridiculous. Saying he collectively wasn't very good last year and voicing concerns over whether he will ever be this or that, isn't the same as wanting the guy to suck.

And lastly, just because said qb or player buster elsewhere, doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't have been the pick here. Situations and circumstances are different everywhere
On the one side, I've seen people pick apart geno for an int in a game where he led a comeback.

On the other side, can't tell you how many times Fisher would make a small mistake in the first quarter and people went apeshit. Completely ignoring an otherwise solid performance.

Both sides are guilty of it. I disagree that there aren't people who want him to fail, just to further state their case against him as a 1.1 and I'm guessing we are going to hear more talk about him being a lousy backup unless he is anything short of a pro bowler.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:49 AM   #2
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I disagree that there aren't people who want him to fail, just to further state their case against him as a 1.1
That's literally the worst argument in the history of Chiefsplanet. Outside of a couple of obvious trolls, NOBODY wants the Chiefs, or any player on the Chiefs, to fail just so they can be right.

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and I'm guessing we are going to hear more talk about him being a lousy backup unless he is anything short of a pro bowler.
He was the 1st overall pick. Expecting him to be a pro bowler isn't unrealistic at all. Hell, expecting him to be one of the best 5 or 6 left tackles in football is completely justified.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:03 AM   #3
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He was the 1st overall pick. Expecting him to be a pro bowler isn't unrealistic at all. Hell, expecting him to be one of the best 5 or 6 left tackles in football is completely justified.
No it isn't. If the draft was chock full of a ton of talent at QB and other "skill positions" and a team still picks a Tackle 1.1, then you can reasonably expect that guy to be some kind of aberration at the tackle position and come out on day one being among the best in the league. The only reason he went 1.1 is because the draft class was so poor. He went #1 overall pick, not because he is better than all the other tackles out there that have been drafted lower than him in years past, he went #1 because his draft class was week at the skill positions.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:07 AM   #4
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No it isn't. If the draft was chock full of a ton of talent at QB and other "skill positions" and a team still picks a Tackle 1.1, then you can reasonably expect that guy to be some kind of aberration at the tackle position and come out on day one being among the best in the league. The only reason he went 1.1 is because the draft class was so poor. He went #1 overall pick, not because he is better than all the other tackles out there that have been drafted lower than him in years past, he went #1 because his draft class was week at the skill positions.
That's a shitty way to draft players.

If the draft class was so poor, and whoever you take at 1.1 is going tonged all this leeway and such, why would you not take te player with the highest potential upside and highest ability to change games.

Maybe some think different, but unless e becomes a top 5 player at his position, that's not a LT.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:16 AM   #5
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No it isn't. If the draft was chock full of a ton of talent at QB and other "skill positions" and a team still picks a Tackle 1.1, then you can reasonably expect that guy to be some kind of aberration at the tackle position and come out on day one being among the best in the league. The only reason he went 1.1 is because the draft class was so poor. He went #1 overall pick, not because he is better than all the other tackles out there that have been drafted lower than him in years past, he went #1 because his draft class was week at the skill positions.
So Dorsey just sucks at talent evaluation then. Got it.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:04 AM   #6
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Yeah, I just found it.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=188932

He started that thread in August of 2008.

Aaron Rodgers had played in 7 games at that point. If anything, it makes DeBerg look like ****ing Nostradamus...
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Old 03-26-2014, 12:05 PM   #7
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Yeah, I just found it.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=188932

He started that thread in August of 2008.

Aaron Rodgers had played in 7 games at that point. If anything, it makes DeBerg look like ****ing Nostradamus...
Yea, It appears I started that thread right before his first season of starting. I initially started it to have some discussion about the value of drafting a QB. I will admit to bumping it quite a bit to "chest thump" after Rodgers blew up. . But just for fun to get a reaction.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:09 AM   #8
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To DeBerg's credit, CP wasn't as QB-crazy as it was from 2009 to the present. I think he earnestly started that thread to try and prove a point.

So don't worry, Deberg. Just find us the next QB already in the league who's ready to bust out, and then start that thread. Then you can mock Mark Sanchez, Jimmy Clausen, Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and even Steele ****ing Jantz if you want. Do it as often as you wish, because you're a ****ing swami!
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Just find us the next QB already in the league who's ready to bust out
I really think that it COULD be Alex Smith.

I just wish they'd have a better sense of urgency when it comes to surrounding him with talent.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:13 AM   #10
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I really think that it COULD be Alex Smith.

I just wish they'd have a better sense of urgency when it comes to surrounding him with talent.
I think they're trying.

Avery/Bowe/Sanders would have been explosive.

It didn't work out, but they were clearly trying...
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I think they're trying.

Avery/Bowe/Sanders would have been explosive.

It didn't work out, but they were clearly trying...
They're not trying hard enough on the line. The guy needs protection.
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They're not trying hard enough on the line. The guy needs protection.
The draft is coming up...


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I think they're trying.

Avery/Bowe/Sanders would have been explosive.

It didn't work out, but they were clearly trying...
I really think we could be looking at our best WR core (on paper) if/when we draft ODB/Lee/Cooks.

That would be great if that happened
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I really think we could be looking at our best WR core (on paper) if/when we draft ODB/Lee/Cooks.

That would be great if that happened
And when we pass on all those guys and take Zach Martin (who technically isn't even a guard)?
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