Chiefs Offense v. Defense using comparable stats - Page 2

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 10:39 AM

We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points".

Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like.

Scoring offense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th

Scoring defense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 5th - very good

now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game

Yards Per Game Offense:
Chiefs are 24th

Yards Per Game Defense:
Chiefs are 25th

So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball

DJ's left nut · 11-21-2016, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

The Chiefs had the ball 9 times. The Bucs had the ball 8 times.

2 of those times were with mere seconds left in the respective halves.

The Chiefs had 7 drives and had that few because the defense was unable to keep the Bucs from getting into Chiefs territory on every single possession except the very last one where they stalled at the 49 after not even trying to throw the football anymore.

The Bucs offense toyed with the Chiefs defense all day.

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

We're still only 1 less than the Bucs.....but keep acting like we had 4 possessions all game.

The Bucs shortest drive was 9 plays that ended in a FG. Yeah, stellar defensive performance.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

2 of those times were with mere seconds left in the respective halves.

The Chiefs had 7 drives and had that few because the defense was unable to keep the Bucs from getting into Chiefs territory on every single possession except the very last one where they stalled at the 49 after not even trying to throw the football anymore.

The Bucs offense toyed with the Chiefs defense all day.

The fact that TB could drive 50+ yards on all 3 FG's they scored is a damn shame. That's not what a top ranked defense does.

dls6501 · 11-21-2016, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The Bucs shortest drive was 9 plays that ended in a FG. Yeah, stellar defensive performance.

No one is claiming the defense had a "stellar" performance yesterday. But the fact of the matter is, 19 points is 19 points. People, specifically the Alex apologists, are making it seem as if the defense gave up 40 points and they made it impossible for our offense to do anything.

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

No one is claiming the defense had a "stellar" performance yesterday. But the fact of the matter is, 19 points is 19 points. People, specifically the Alex apologists, are making it seem as if the defense gave up 40 points and they made it impossible for our offense to do anything.

Gee, now go back and read the OP of the thread in which you just replied...

DJ's left nut · 11-21-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

We're still only 1 less than the Bucs.....but keep acting like we had 4 possessions all game.

Keep acting like they lost by 30.

One drive when you lost by 2 points is pretty damn critical, is it not?

But in the respective number of drives isn't the issue because the Bucs taking long, time consuming drives limits their numbers as well. It's isn't a comparison between the teams but a comparison between the respective weeks.

Getting 7 offensive series in a game is awful. 9 should really be the lowest acceptable number and that's if neither side is playing great offense. A standard defensive battle should really be around 9 drives. But when you just cannot get a team off the field until they've driven deep into your own territory, your offense isn't going to ever get on the field. The defense allowing the Bucs into Chiefs territory on every drive yesterday is the worst stat to come out of that game. The offense led 2 sustained drives for scores. The offense put up 19 despite NO help from the D. The offense still wasn't good, but the defense was absolutely worse.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

2 of those times were with mere seconds left in the respective halves.

The Chiefs had 7 drives and had that few because the defense was unable to keep the Bucs from getting into Chiefs territory on every single possession except the very last one where they stalled at the 49 after not even trying to throw the football anymore.

The Bucs offense toyed with the Chiefs defense all day.

Offense didn't help out the defense at all.

kcpasco · 11-21-2016, 11:50 AM

2 trips inside the 5 yard line and only 3 points. That combined with being dominated at time of possession was your ballgame.

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

2 trips inside the 5 yard line and only 3 points. That combined with being dominated at time of possession was your ballgame.

the Bucs made it into Chiefs territory every drive. Including one they started from their own 4 yard line.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

League avg. is around 23 ppg.

Offensive points per drive IMO is a better indicator of offensive efficiency. Especially when you consider we run the ball a lot which drains the clock leading to less possessions in a game for both teams.

Regardless, we are off from 2015's standards and a lot of that has to do with Maclin not being at his best or even on the field. Somehow, Smith's efficiency isn't that far off from 2015 in the passing game despite all the overreaction on CP.

DJ's left nut · 11-21-2016, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Offense didn't help out the defense at all.

Because they punted 3 times?

The defense did more damage to the offense by simply keeping them off the field for 15 minutes at a time than the offense did to the defense. The Chiefs had a great sustained drive to start that game and while you'd like to have seen them finish it (Thanks again, Andy - gotta love a ****ing TE reverse inside the 10...), they still showed some nice rhythm to drive the field.

The defense promptly goes out there and lets TB drive it right down their throats. And yes, you'd have loved to have seen the O turn around and make something of that turnover (a completely unforced error after a muffed mesh) but then again, you'd like to see that turnover not lead to a drive starting deep in your own end because the defense was bent over all day. Maybe had the defense not then gotten the ball stuffed down their throat AGAIN, the offense would've been able to get back in rhythm.

The defense spent all day surrendering 9, 10, 12 play drives for 60-70 yards a pop. And as for the offense hanging them out - when the O went out there and drove the field late in the half for a TD, how did the D respond? Oh...right, another 9 play drive that ended on 3rd down only because the Bucs ran out of time to keep slamming it down the D's throat. Drive after drive after drive, regardless of what the O did, the D failed.

The defense absolutely sucked and it definitely sucked worse than the offense.

ThaVirus · 11-21-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

did I hear a stat correctly yesterday in the broadcast when they mentioned the Chiefs offense hadn't scored a TD in 8 quarters? (prior to the Alex Smith run for TD).

2 offensive TDs in 12 quarters at that point.

ThaVirus · 11-21-2016, 12:02 PM

The defense was bad but the offense was worse.

A lot of people are complaining about the jet sweep to Kelce but the Lions scored on the same play from virtually the same down and distance in their game yesterday.

kcpasco · 11-21-2016, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

the Bucs made it into Chiefs territory every drive. Including one they started from their own 4 yard line.

Yeah the defense definitely deserves some blame yesterday. The Bucs beat us at our own game. Time of possession and fewer mistakes.

Dayze · 11-21-2016, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

2 offensive TDs in 12 quarters at that point.

thanks.
I couldn't remember the stat.

11-21-2016, 10:39 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1085873	Offense v. Defense using comparable stats We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points". Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like. Scoring offense (because points are what matters) Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th Scoring defense (because points are what matters) Chiefs are 5th - very good now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game Yards Per Game Offense: Chiefs are 24th Yards Per Game Defense: Chiefs are 25th So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball
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11-21-2016, 11:50 AM	#23
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $6143463	2 trips inside the 5 yard line and only 3 points. That combined with being dominated at time of possession was your ballgame.
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11-21-2016, 12:02 PM	#28
ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1807631	The defense was bad but the offense was worse. A lot of people are complaining about the jet sweep to Kelce but the Lions scored on the same play from virtually the same down and distance in their game yesterday.
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