Late game FG attempt

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I saw the All 22 if the Burrow to Higgins that sealed the game...Williams has great coverage and gets his hand in, it's a perfect throw.

No....Williams sucks according to most people here who don't know shit about decent coverage.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

No....Williams sucks according to most people here who don't know shit about decent coverage.

Per next gen stats he was never more than 2 yards from every WR he covered yesterday.

Burrow is just Brady like with his pocket presence and accuracy. That last throw to beat us was perfect.

Karlaftis was so close to tipping it and Williams was right there with great coverage.

Sometimes pure talent just beats you

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Per next gen stats he was never more than 2 yards from every WR he covered yesterday.

Burrow is just Brady like with his pocket presence and accuracy. That last throw to beat us was perfect.

Karlaftis was so close to tipping it and Williams was right there with great coverage.

Sometimes pure talent just beats you

They had a couple slant throws that just missed getting knocked down.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

They had a couple slant throws that just missed getting knocked down.

Yup, we just can't catch a break when we play these ****s.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I saw the All 22 if the Burrow to Higgins that sealed the game...Williams has great coverage and gets his hand in, it's a perfect throw.

How close was Danna to disrupting Burrow when he pulled up?

The replays I saw looked like he could’ve gotten there or at least not allowed Burrow to get much on it.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

How close was Danna to disrupting Burrow when he pulled up?

The replays I saw looked like he could’ve gotten there or at least not allowed Burrow to get much on it.

Once that roughing the passer penalty happens....our DEs were scared to even breathe on Burrow. You don't want to have a 3rd and 11 at the end of the game end with a 1st down because the refs decided you were to rough on him.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

How close was Danna to disrupting Burrow when he pulled up?

The replays I saw looked like he could’ve gotten there or at least not allowed Burrow to get much on it.

#Bengals

The 3rd down throw from Burrow to close out the game…

Man-coverage underneath. Higgins on the slant route. Can see the ball location here. pic.twitter.com/fkVJwRu6OF

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) December 5, 2022

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

#Bengals

The 3rd down throw from Burrow to close out the game…

Man-coverage underneath. Higgins on the slant route. Can see the ball location here. pic.twitter.com/fkVJwRu6OF

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) December 5, 2022

That was an amazing throw. ****.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Hank Hill

That was an amazing throw. ****.

Not sure what Mike Danna was looking at. He could have disrupted that play with a hit on Burrow. Would have been split second but may have been enough.

[Gravedigger]

Butker's done it plenty of times in the past for us so it makes sense, but it's one of those if it works then you don't hear about it. 55 yard field goal isn't a lock, especially in an outdoor stadium, but that's every field goal, it'll either go in or it won't. Basing the game and last drive on it was an issue, if it was a miss before half time then it wouldn't have received the same attention.

I believe that if you play for Field Goals, you play to lose the game, especially in this day and age in the NFL. Andy has always been overly conservative and has never truly been relentless, and attacking all the time. When we won the Super Bowl, Andy would always tell Patrick to keep firing. We need that mentality, let Patrick go crazy and take the good with the bad, rather then losing it conservatively in a non-conservative NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Butker's done it plenty of times in the past for us so it makes sense, but it's one of those if it works then you don't hear about it. 55 yard field goal isn't a lock, especially in an outdoor stadium, but that's every field goal, it'll either go in or it won't. Basing the game and last drive on it was an issue, if it was a miss before half time then it wouldn't have received the same attention.

I believe that if you play for Field Goals, you play to lose the game, especially in this day and age in the NFL. Andy has always been overly conservative and has never truly been relentless, and attacking all the time. When we won the Super Bowl, Andy would always tell Patrick to keep firing. We need that mentality, let Patrick go crazy and take the good with the bad, rather then losing it conservatively in a non-conservative NFL.

I don’t think we were playing for FGs. I think we were playing to get the ball back. Credit to the bengals D it took us WAY too long to get to FG range. If we move the ball much quicker a quick FG would’ve been a great play.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don’t think we were playing for FGs. I think we were playing to get the ball back.

Well that was dumb. They couldn't stop the Bengals all day. Why would they think that would suddenly change?

[chiefforlife]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Butker's done it plenty of times in the past for us so it makes sense, but it's one of those if it works then you don't hear about it. 55 yard field goal isn't a lock, especially in an outdoor stadium, but that's every field goal, it'll either go in or it won't. Basing the game and last drive on it was an issue, if it was a miss before half time then it wouldn't have received the same attention.

I believe that if you play for Field Goals, you play to lose the game, especially in this day and age in the NFL. Andy has always been overly conservative and has never truly been relentless, and attacking all the time. When we won the Super Bowl, Andy would always tell Patrick to keep firing. We need that mentality, let Patrick go crazy and take the good with the bad, rather then losing it conservatively in a non-conservative NFL.

Honestly, I think it was very poor situational awareness.

In general this theory makes sense. However the current situation dictated the more aggressive approach. This is not hindsight, you could feel it in the game, live!

Everyone in that stadium and most of us at home knew that even if that FG was good, we were not going to win. Tying that game up with three minutes left to an offense that had moved up and down the field at will would 100% be able to get into FG range and put us away.

The only real shot we had against this particular team in that particular moment was to score a TD, take a little more time off the clock and then hope our D could keep them out of the end zone. Which was possible as we had done it in this game earlier.

Attempting that Field Goal was a death sentence either way. You knew it when it happened.

[loochy]

I might understand if it was 4th and 12 from the 25 yard line. Then ok, yeah, kick the FG. But doing a 55 yarder? I know Butker is good, but Mahomes is gooder.

[Bearcat]

Yeah, there's just little different between making a FG and still needing a defensive stop with 3 minutes left, missing a FG and needing to make a defensive stop (but sooner) and not converting on 4th down.

The only 'struggle' for the Bengals in the first case is a few additional first downs and making a FG to win. Might as well take your chances and go for it.

Seemed like a decision Staley would make... be aggressive and go for it on 4th downs earlier in the game because you're not staring the L in the face, then go conservative when you really need to be aggressive.

Don't know what the analytics say in that case.