Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 25

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's not true.

Dexter McCluster is a guy with playmaker potential, a combination Dante Hall/Wes Weswelker, but I still believe he's a part time player, and players that OTW and I have both talked about were guys that could be full time playmakers in this defense.

None of us are saying Dexter McCluster is a bad player.
He was a bad selection for the Chiefs at that spot.

The players you mentioned may or may not be three down players, putting them in the same boat as McCluster.

I think that McCluster, regardless of whether or not he "starts" (which is dependent on who the Chiefs are facing) will likely see 70% of the offensive snaps if not more.

**Reaper16** · 04-25-2010, 04:40 PM

ITT: people that don't think the front 7 has a significant impact on pass defense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This belief that these coaches are riding in on white horses to turn shitty players into all pro's is not going to end well..

I remember last year "hey we'll win 4-5 more games on coaching alone!"

I see it's back.

Who were the amazing offensive lineman the Chiefs passed on in the 2009 draft from rounds three through seven?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

yeah and if you watched the opener...you know that it was the pass that really killed us...

they opened up their running game by gashing us with the pass over and over and over again for three quarters...and then Ray Rice put us away after our entire D was totally gassed...

But hey...

Yes, the Ravens had more success in the 2nd half than they did the first.

But by my math, we allowed almost 70 yards on 13 attempts (5.38 average) in the first half.

Good defenses allow a few yards more than that in a game.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I remember last year "hey we'll win 4-5 more games on coaching alone!"

I see it's back.

Who in their right mind wouldn't think that Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel won't be far more effective on game day than Pendergast and Haley?

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that McCluster, regardless of whether or not he "starts" (which is dependent on who the Chiefs are facing) will likely see 70% of the offensive snaps if not more.

I don't think so...I don't even see how this is possible...He likely will not be playing as the RB and he won't even be on the field most likely unless we have 3 WR's in the game...Which will not be 70% of the time...I don't see how you could ever be correct on this.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm not sure that they were even doing that, unless they limited their board to very specific kinds of players. For instance, Haley talked about KR being not just a need, but a must. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board at times to players with return ability. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board to team captains. I just don't get the sense that Pioli's board took into account a broad swath of players. They seemed to go really specialized for this draft.

As I stated in response to one of Dane's post like it or not any player that had character issues was not going to be picked by the Chiefs. That includes Kindle, Cody and Cam Thomas.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The Ravens ran for over 200 yards against a lot of people.

The Chiefs defensive improvement is also going to come from coaching, which to me can make a huge difference on a defensive line.

"Coaching alone will lead us to 7-8 wins."

-True Fan, circa April, 2009.

aturnis · 04-25-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

I don't care we didn't draft him I meant why didn't we sign him as a UFDA instead of Menelik ****ing Holt? Who is the regional scout because he ****ing sucks. We could have also signed Matt O'Hanlon who will be better than that turd safety they drafted.

I didn't turn anything off though Hamas. At first I was pissed about McCluster but if you really think about it he'll be a good player. As for Arenas that was a horrible ****ing pick. He's undersized and slow. You can draft a good kick returner in the later rounds.

We didn't sign him b/c he was one of the very first to sign, and he signed with Chicago b/c he if from Illinois.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I don't think so...I don't even see how this is possible...He likely will not be playing as the RB and he won't even be on the field most likely unless we have 3 WR's in the game...Which will not be 70% of the time...I don't see how you could ever be correct on this.

There are most likely only three offensive downs per down (I'm not counting fourth down).

McCluster will most likely be on the field at minimum, two out of three of those downs, putting it at 67% of the snaps.

He'll likely see time on first down as well.

The bottom line is that the guy will be constantly be on the field.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

All of these bullshit appeals to a greater authority are useless.

If you really want to debate the stupid people who think the Chiefs ****ed up this draft, why don't you come up with an actual ARGUMENT as to why ignoring the front seven was a good idea.

And I'll tell you what, there actually IS a good argument, but none of the Pioli ball washers have come close to bringing it up. Because you're too busy polishing those rose-colored glasses.

So let's hear it...why was ignoring the front seven a great idea in a draft loaded with defensive talent? Don't just say "Pioli knows more than you."

I don't think there is a good one unless you count Romeo playing the white knight. But we have seen this act before back in 2004 and it didn't work then and isn't going to work now.

Or maybe I have different idea, they are going to run a 3-1-7 D

But I definitely would be interested in your thoughts Clay.

Just Passin' By · 04-25-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are Tight Ends more necessary than ILB's and pass rushers, when you have neither?

I guess you don't understand football, because even KC Johnny wouldn't argue that the TE position is more important than having a solid front 7.

1.) I didn't make that claim

2.) You're the idiot who grouped tight end in as a "luxury" pick.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Cody and Joseph fell to the 5th round? I must have missed that.

Excellent rebuttal, since I clearly meant that every player OTW chose fell precisely in the 5th round.

I see you haven't improved your posting prowess any.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Baltimore runs a 43 base defense. Now I've heard everything.

Actually, Baltimore's been known to run from both 3-4 and 4-3. However, given that the linebackers are Lewis, Suggs, Johnson and Gooden, I think it's safe to point out that they're generally running a hybrid with Suggs. Or are you going to pretend otherwise.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The broadcasters specifically said that Cody and Kelly Gregg will likely split the NT reps in Baltimore's 34 defense.

How nice for the broadcasters. Did they tell you exactly how many snaps he'll get in each game, too, or are just like everyone else and unsure of exactly how it will play out?

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Speaking of expecting instant success...

Didn't we just draft a nickle back last year?

I'm pretty sure we drafted a kick returner last year as well.

And I know we traded up for a tight end last year as well.

Seems like our own Executive of the Decade is guilty of what you just (inaccurately) accused me of.

Things I'm reasonably sure of:

1.) The Chiefs need more than one tight end, and are likely to carry three.

2.) Teams sometimes have more than 3 cornerbacks on the field at the same time.

3.) The Chiefs are hoping that they got more than a KR out of that pick.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

As is Scott Pioli's. And looking at his overall draft history, I would say putting much stock in his opinions is a mistake.

Actually, his overall draft history is excellent.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

People are clamoring for Cody, who would essentially be a part-time player as well. He's not staying in on passing downs.

I've been criticized for the past two months for saying you can get a fat guy to take up blockers later in the draft, so I know that doesn't apply to me.

But don't act like there weren't full-time playmakers available at OLB and ILB when we picked.

That's the argument, Frank. The board set up perfectly to get playmakers at a position of greater need, and we passed.

Pioli values slot WR's and nickle CB's more than starting pass rushers and ILB's for a team that is dead last against the run.

That's scary.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-25-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This belief that these coaches are riding in on white horses to turn shitty players into all pro's is not going to end well..

I remember last year "hey we'll win 4-5 more games on coaching alone!"

I see it's back.

I'm not expecting them to turn shitty players into all pros. If you thought that Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson were being coached well by Tim Krumrie (someone you railed on every ****ing chance you got) and can't develop more as a player with someone like Romeo Crennel who has a resume of developing defensive lineman into very productive players.

Coaching does help. I don't know why there's a notion on this board that coaching can't improve players.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yes, the Ravens had more success in the 2nd half than they did the first.

But by my math, we allowed almost 70 yards on 13 attempts (5.38 average) in the first half.

Good defenses allow a few yards more than that in a game.

but if you'd think into it a little further like I do when I'm watching...

our only stops came on dropped passes or when they wasted 2nd downs on running plays...

go look at the 1st half drive charts...

furthermore...their game plan was to beat us through the air, not on the ground...and everytime we forced a 3rd and long Flacco completed a 1st down pass...

Our defense was BAD last year...

and it wasn't just the front 7...

Berry/Arenas along with development for some of the young guys will give us a much better defense than we had last year...though I imagine we'll still be pretty average at best defensively.

Offensively...

Wow...we really have a chance to do be a pretty good offense next year.

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